Post by Meganj83 on Nov 19, 2022 22:12:43 GMT -7
[Orig subject line: Lexie 2yr old Frenchie IVDD stage 5 and pregnant]
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I don’t know if anyone here will have any knowledge about this, I’m not even sure how I found this board, but I’m trying everything and willing to hear anyone’s advice right now. My dog Lexie on Friday [11/18]
night came down the stairs and just stood in the kitchen. I’m 8 months pregnant
so I was upstairs in bed and my husband came and got me and said we had a problem. When I got downstairs Lexie didn’t want to walk and was standing there trembling. I told him to take her to the ER right away. I honestly thought maybe she had an infection because we didn’t even have confirmation of pregnancy yet and I wasn’t seeing signs. Well the Dr, tells us she has a herniated disc and is most definitely pregnant which puts us in a difficult position. I told her Lexie comes first. She said she believed she could go home and take pain medicine and prescribed her codeine
after giving her a shot of bupenorphine
She said she believed with crate rest and the pain meds we’d know in the next 12-24 hours if lexie and the puppies could get better. Well lexie started throwing
up the next morning and we couldn’t get the medicine in her so back to the er we went. They admitted her and said she would see a neurologist [11/20]
The neurologist [11/20] called
me with news I definywasnt expecting. He said she shad gotten worse to the point where her back legs were no longer working and that she was negative for deep pain sensation
. He wasn’t recommending surgery either.
He said with Lexie being pregnant and not being able to stop throwing up he couldn’t give her even a 50% chance. He said he would give us time to talk and call back in 5 minutes. I couldn’t bare the thought of putting her down. She’s only 2 1/2. When he called back I asked if she was in pain and what other options we had. We ended up bringing her home a few hours ago with a bunch [?] of different medications.
He said not to give the steroids unless her pain was uncontrollable
. She rested comfortably for several hours I’m assuming from the IV medication. As soon as it wore off we were right back to projectile bike colored vomit. [MED LIST/HISTORY- Moderator's Note. Please do not edit
weight? 2.5 y.o.
name of each med with mgs dose and frequency ]
So my husband and daughter are currently [11/20] driving her 2 hours away to the hospital in Grenville that has neurologists on call.
I’ve had so many people tell me different things today. That she could get better without surgery. To spay her as soon as possible and then do the surgery or take her home and try the crate rest and meds. I don’t know what the dr will say at the new hospital but I did think I needed to get a second opinion.
I don’t want her to suffer, but if she can’t keep medicine down I know that’s what will happen. If anyone has been through something similar or has any advice, please share with me! Thank you so very much.
Member since 2007: surgery, conservative . Montana, USA
Post by PaulaM on Nov 20, 2022 8:06:27 GMT -7
Megan, I'm so sorry to hear of Lexie's situation and the stress you must be under. You will have to rely on veterinary support about the pregnancy part.
HEALING NERVES and THE DISC with conservative treatment
Lexie can heal her nerves
to regain deep pain sensation (DPS) and even walk again. That can take time of perhaps thinking in terms of months rather than days weeks. You can get a handle on this disease (thought to have a genetic component) she was likely born with. 10 min presentation "Shortcut thru IVDD": dodgerslist.com/2020/06/26/time-and-ivdd/
The disc that caused the problem would take 8 weeks of limited movement to heal and form scar tissue with conservative treatment. Disc healing strict rest is a “recovery suite” with room service! Learn how to set up and lots of tips for making the process go smoother: dodgerslist.com/2020/05/14/strict-rest-recovery-process/
The pros and cons with a surgery or conservative treatment.
If for any reason a surgery is not option, then conservative treatment IS
the best option. dodgerslist.com/2020/02/10/surgery-vs-conservative/
An anti-inflammatory drug (
the steroid class or the non-steroid class) is what works on resolving the painful swelling in 7 to 30 days with conservative treatment. You can learn more detail so you ask good questions if that med is ok for a pregnant dog. dodgerslist.com/2020/04/18/steroids-vs-nsaids/Pain meds
provide the necessary relief from pain until the anti-inflammatory (prednisone, dex or something from the non-steroid class) can get all the painful swelling gone. Pain meds are effective for 8 hrs. Stomach protection
is very typically used for the duration of the anti-inflammatory drug. Pepcid AC (famotidine) for example is a common one to suppress the stomach extra acids all anti-inflammatory drugs cause. In addition cord damage and change in routine can also cause increased stomach acids. Too much acid can cause bleeding ulcers. There are other stomach protectors and info to help you understand why protection is important: dodgerslist.com/2020/05/06/stomach-protection/
CARE at home
With a dog who has lost deep pain sensation, the bladder will need manually expressing to prevent UTI's. Poop Expressing relieves a dog’s anxiety of unexpected poops where they sleep and is very easy to learn. You can learn more just how bladder expressing is done ahead of time, so you can get more out of the hands on top of your hands expressing lesson from the vet: dodgerslist.com/2020/05/05/bladder-bowel-care/
I hope this information helps you in understanding and discussing things with the Neuro. Please keep us posted on Gracie and what the Grenville, SC Neuro says, prescribes, etc.