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Post by Chiiin & Milo on Aug 31, 2022 0:00:51 GMT -7
[Posted Philippine time Wed 3pm, 2022; EST Wed 3am]
[Original subject line:my dog has IVDD ] HI my name is chiiin, i live in the philippines were there is not much of asisstance with this kind of condition, the vet only gave us home meds and so little instruction on what to do, i stumble upon this website hoping to get support and help i need to assist my dog in this very dificult time. He started not able to use his back legs early morning aug 30th, we rushed him to the emergency vet right away, he had xray and we were told he has IVDD. vet gave us meds and we were offered accupuncture which we did and will have another session every 4 days.. we are having dificulty crating him since he wants to move around a lot, right now my sis has to sleep on the floor with him, in a matress with lots of pillows to stop him from moving around. my dog has a lot of anxiety and is used to sleeping in bed with us. He is also unable to pee on his own, but still poops on his own. ☆ 1 Is there still currently pain? I am not sure about this, but i saw him panting few times for the past 24 hrs. ☐ reluctant to move. Not really, infact he wants to move all the time even if he cant move his back legs. ☐ shivering, trembling ☐yelping when picked up or moved nope ☐ always tensed ☐ back is arched☐ Holding front or back leg flamingo style not wanting to bear weight Not sure about this. He is not really a very active dog, but he still acts the same besides the fact that he cant move is 2 back legs. 2 6.5 kg Age? 5 turning 6 on octoberPrednisone (5mg started yesterday [8/30]) 5mg 1 tab ⚠️every 2 hrs for 7 days then sept 6 shift to ones a day for the following week and every other day on the 3rd week. today is still the second day Date of steroid taper? sept 6 sept 17 would be the last day of her 3 week prescriptionGabapentin 300mg 1 capsule is mixed with 5ml water giving him 1.5 ml every 12 hrs.. this is for 21 days Vet also gave vit b complex and joint supliment 1s a day.
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6.5 kgs / 14.33 lbs 6 y.o
Prednisone as of 8/30: 5mgs 2x/day for 7 days, test taper 9/6: _pain/_neuro
gabapentin formula 300mgs/5mL: 90mgs 2x/day for 21 days, ends AFTER last pred dose!
Milo needs GI tract protector, Pepcid AC, on board for duration of Prednisone! ]
☆ 3 -- List any red flag signs of stomach damage. ☆ 4 What breed? daschund Your dog’s name?Milo Your name? Chiiin ☆ 5 Was the diagnosis IVDD (aka: a disc problem, a disc herniation, a bulging disc, slipped disc)? -- Is the vet a general DVM? yes an EMED☆ 6 What was the date you saw the vet for CONSERVATIVE treatment? august 30th, surgery was not an option. We live in the philippines and accdng to the vet, we dont have specialist in the area that can do surgery.☆ 7 have to express his tummy. wet bedding or leaks on you ? No
☆ 8 he has no movement on his back legs.
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Post by PaulaM on Aug 31, 2022 10:21:23 GMT -7
Chiin, welcome to the Forum. You have found the right place to quickly get up to speed on Milo's disease. -- What veterinary professionals say about Dodgerslist: dodgerslist.com/2020/04/20/education-team-ivdd -- What owners say about Dodgerslist: dodgerslist.com/2022/08/22/what-owners-say-about-dodgerslist/ -- While on the main Dodgerslist website, explore the navigation bar or type in a search word in the orange search field at top of every page. Until you gain confidence in your IVDD knowledge there 3 important things you'll want to address soonest: 1) PREDNISONE is not given every 2 hrs. Please confirm this was a typo and you are giving Pred 5mgs every 12 hrs (2x/day) 2) GABAPENTIN, for nerve pain, is not given during the prednisone taper. YOU at home are supposed to be able to determine if prednisone has fully resolved all pain during the 7-day pred course. The taper days are no longer working on painful inflammation. Keeping a pain med on board puts a blindfold on your eyes to accurately assess for pain. Discuss and ADVOCATE with your vet for a full stop of gabapentin on the 9/6 when pred begins to taper. LEARN MORE to get up to speed on how prednisone is used during a disc episode: dodgerslist.com/2020/04/18/steroids-vs-nsaids/ Vets choose an anti-inflammatory during a disc episode
to get painful swelling down in about 7-30 days (excluding pred taper days).  3) PEPCID AC is used for the duration of prednisone to suppress acid production. Let us know when you have confirmed Milo has no health issues to prevent use of Pepcid AC (famotidine) from your grocery store. EXPRESSING -- Does Milo stay dry in-between expressing times?
-- While on pred and learning to be an expert expresser, are you expressing every 2-3 hrs As you see he stays dry, then move up to every 3-4 hrs. Eventually you can express every 4-6 hrs and even every 8 especially during a night of sleep.
--Are you also expressing for poop? Not the health issue bladder expressing is. But more to prevent anxiety of Milo finding poop where he sleeps! Easy to learn and figure out his digestive timing: dodgerslist.com/2020/05/05/bladder-bowel-careThank you for registering!! Now, you can receive email alerts when someone has posted. Timely interaction/communications is needed when helping your dog. i.postimg.cc/T1xztZX3/Bookmark.png ** Bookmark your dog's thread to receive an email alert when someone has replied. Go to the CONSERVATIVE Board: dodgerslist.boards.net/board/6/conservative 1. Look for your dog's thread and checkmark it. 2. Look for the white ACTIONS button towards top. 3. Select “Notification Options" from the pull down menu — check mark “NEW POST” change from never to INSTANT email — press the SAVE button. Click the “x” to close the window 4. Next choose the “Bookmark” See the tiny book symbol now! i.postimg.cc/GhKYTNg7/Bookmarking.jpg We look forward to your next update and your answers to the questions above, so we know best how to assist you. |
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Post by Chiiin & Milo on Aug 31, 2022 11:22:38 GMT -7
THank you so much for responding..
Im sorry for the typo, prednisone is every 12 hrs
Ill discuss gabapentin and pepcid with my vet tomorrow.
EXPRESSING
Yes, he stays dry in between expressing time, my sis express him every 4 hrs, we saw the vid you posted in this forum on other dog owners thread, and that's what we followed to express him.
He poops on his own, we just have to move him at the usual area where he poops.
Issue with recovery suite...
I am concerned about him moving a lot. We dedicated an area at home where he can sleep at night, but my sis has to sleep with him for him to stay calm. sis has been sleeping on the floor with him for 2 nights now. Can my sis continue doing this?
At day time we decided to put him on big box that has wheels and load it with a comforter and pillows so we can easily move him from place to place. We have other dogs at home that he is very close with, he seem to want to be with them all the time.
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Post by Romy & Frankie on Aug 31, 2022 13:42:39 GMT -7
Thank you for clarifying the prednisone dosage. Some dogs get anxious in the crate. For dogs that do, another form of recovery suite can be tried. A baby's play pen can make a good recovery suite as can a wire ex-pen. For some dogs a pet stroller used with supervision can work. A box does not make a good recovery suite. If you must use a box until another form of recovery suite can be gotten, make sure that the bottom is rigid to help keep the back straight and the box is sturdy enough so the dog cannot tip it over. Even paralyzed dogs may be able to do this. Try to get another form of recovery suite as soon as possible. A vet can prescribe a mild sedative like trazadone or Acepromozine to be used as needed. Other, more natural methods can be tried. Try using an oral calmer in combination with a Pheromone diffuser. This seems to work best. It takes several days for these to start working - it isn't immediate but they are a much better option if you can avoid heavy duty prescription sedatives such as Acepromazine, Trazodone, etc. with. Of course ALWAYS keep your vet in the loop on all things you give your dog. Other product brands may be available in your area or on-line… just shop by the active ingredient(s) on the label and the quantity for best price. Place a DAP pheromone diffuser at floor level where the recovery suite is. Some brands to consider: --Adaptil (DAP) wall plug in diffuser www.adaptil.com/us/Adaptil/Adaptil-DiffuserUse a diffuser with one oral calmer from below: 1) ANXITANE® S chewable tabs contain 50 mg L-Theanine, an amino acid that acts neurologically to help keep dogs calm, relaxed us.virbac.com/product/behavior/anxitane-chewable-tablets2) Composure Soft Chews are colostrum based like calming mother's milk and contain 21 mg of L-Theanine. www.vetriscience.com/composure-153.htmlBe aware that you might be inadvertently training for unwanted behavior. To dogs rewards are: food, looking at them, talking to them, eye contact, approaching the crate, petting. So anytime you see unwanted behavior ignore it, turn your back, leave the room if you have to. Preferable is to start teaching what you do want before there is too much practice in doing the unwanted behavior. Anytime your dog is sitting or lying down quietly, give a reward. Soon your dog will see they get rewards for four feet on the floor, quietly sitting, etc. One or another of these methods should allow your wonderful sister to get some sleep without having to stay near Milo to keep him calm. For now, do not leave Milo with your other dog's unsupervised. This is for the safety of Milo as well as your other dogs. |
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Post by Chiiin & Milo on Aug 31, 2022 15:13:15 GMT -7
[Posted Manilla time on Thurs 9/1 3:30a.m.
EST Wed 8/31 3:30p.m.]
Hi thank you for your respond. We will try ignoring unwanted behaviour and train him to be calmer when alone.
Also, he woke up just now and we noticed that his bed is wet and he did poop while laying down, which caused us to panic, does this mean He is deteriorating? I gave him his meds and also fed him his first meal for today, he seems to be in his normal self.
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Post by PaulaM on Aug 31, 2022 20:40:42 GMT -7
Chiin, if Milo is being expressed because he has lost bladder & bowel neuro functions. You can express for poop as mentioned earlier. So there is no change in neuro loss. There is a change in maybe his bladder was not expressed in 4 hrs. which usually keeps him dry? OR maybe he drank more water. Prednisone makes them thirsty thus filling up the bladder sooner. What do you think? Let us knowRECOVERY SUITE
Are your able to get a wire crate, a baby's Pack N Play, or an 8-panel ex-pen to use as a recovery suite?
These provide the safety from your other dogs and a safe healing environment for Milo that the box on wheels does not. You can also put wheels on a wire crate. The other dogs can lie on the floor, lean against the recovery suite and feel close to Milo.
MidWest crate castors - about $8/2 available at Amazon and other stores.  Your sis can put her sleeping bag/mattress on the floor next to the recovery suite to keep him company at night if this is a must. Or your sis can sleep more comfy on the couch and pull the suite right up close so she can touch him through the wires. Put one of your unwashed worn t-shirts in with Milo so he can smell you thru the night for another kind of comfort. PET STROLLER Many pet parents like a pet stroller for keeping their patient near them as they move room to room. More detail here: Features and other considerations about strollers: dodgerslist.com/2020/05/17/pet-stroller-conservatve-treatment/THE CONCERN for Milo For dogs the inborn instinct about weakness is for survival protection of the pack as a whole. There are two things that can happen in pack dynamics when a dog has been or is sick. 1. The healthy one may try to eliminate the weaker in the pack. 2. For the sick one, now the weaker in the pack to become more protective and aggressive because they know they are weaker now and may be subject to being attacked. Make sure that Milo feels protected from his best buds during his disc healing period of 8 weeks. The crate will be that source of protection. Is Pepcid AC (famotidine) on board now for the duration of Prednisone?
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Post by Chiiin & Milo on Aug 31, 2022 21:28:48 GMT -7
Hi thank you for all your advice.
now that you mentioned it I think its cause He has been drinking more often and in larger quantity than the 1st day of his meds. Are diapers ok to be used for night time?
We do have wire crate and we already have it set up, problem is he don't want to be in it alone.. He whines if left alone inside the room and when everybody's outside, this is why we decided to improvise and use a big plastic box with wheels that we used for storage as his tempo suite in day time but we'll try to look for a pet stroller ASAP instead.
My other dogs who are all younger than him are very concerned they like laying down next to him.
Pepcid AC
Was not able to speak to his vet, she's not available when I called the vet hosp earlier, only spoke with the secretary. I will be able to see her in person on milo's next acupuncture sched, on sept 3. and will also try calling again..
Also, my dog has been panting more than usual! I read from an article that prednisone may cause excessive panting in dogs. Is this normal or do I need to take him to the vet now? Weve noticed that his panting only occurs when we’re about to feed him or someone’s coming close to pet him.
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Post by PaulaM on Sept 1, 2022 8:18:35 GMT -7
Chiin, diapers are a last resort as they can cause issues of rashes, urine burn. So be careful to clean the skin with a baby wipe to avoid diaper rash. Concern is open skin can invite infection. Barrier cream with no toxic zinc can also keep wet diaper causing problems at night. Aquaphor Baby or Aquaphor regular Healing Ointment contain same ingredients: Petrolatum (41%) Inactive Ingredients: Mineral Oil, Ceresin, Lanolin Alcohol, Panthenol, Glycerin, Bisabolol aquaphorus.com/categories/momalwaysfindsout.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/aquaphor-products.jpgAND Bayer's A+D® Original Ointment Active ingredients: Lanolin 15.5%, Petrolatum 53.4% i.postimg.cc/N0g4BFRF/A-and-D-ointment.pngIf you are certain your dog has no heart, liver or kidney issues, then not a bad idea to use Pepcid AC and keep your vet in the loop soonest possible. Dogs do not speak up at first signs like a person would, so best to be proactive in stomach protection. 3 factors involved in production of extra stomach acids during a disc episode: dodgerslist.com/2020/05/06/stomach-protectionThank you for your thoughts on why had had a wet bed at night, when he was able to be expressed every 4 hrs and stay dry. Another option to diapers is to set your alarm to express mid way during the night. |
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Post by Chiiin & Milo on Sept 1, 2022 19:48:27 GMT -7
Hi, we'll now add ✙pepcid as part of his meds.
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6.5 kgs / 14.33 lbs 6 y.o
Prednisone as of 8/30: 5mgs 2x/day for 7 days, test taper 9/6: _pain/_neuro
gabapentin formula 300mgs/5mL: 90mgs 2x/day for 21 days, ends AFTER last pred dose!
✙Pepcid AC 5mgs 2x/day as of 9/1 ]
Also, we noticed today that he keeps licking his back leg after it got wet from peeing, and after my sister accidentally got her back leg wet.. i don't know if this is a good sign.
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Post by PaulaM on Sept 1, 2022 21:14:37 GMT -7
Chiin, Milo can smell the urine on this leg. It is a possibility that he does not like the smell because he can smell it is different. Dogs noses are highly sensitive--- much better than human noses. Milo may have a bladder infection. When learning to express and perfecting getting all urine out at each session, expressing technique may not yet be perfected during the first week of learning. Urinary tract infections (UTIs) often happen.
Some UTIs have signs people can observe such as change in color, foul smell, a temperature dog feels cruddy, etc. Other UTI's may not show any signs we can observe. It is the urinalysis at the vet's office that can proove if an infection is in the bladder and then Rx an anti-biotic.
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Post by Chiiin & Milo on Sept 3, 2022 15:04:32 GMT -7
Hi, I am very anxious right now as Milo has lost his appetite, He wont eat his food and meds i gave just few mnts ago.. last night he Sep 2 had a wet poop. i so concerned if this is a sign of deterioration.
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Post by PaulaM on Sept 3, 2022 15:32:37 GMT -7
Chiin, what you describe seems to relate to his GI tract (stomach). Please describe what wet poop means: -- loose stool -- diarrhea -- diarrhea with red or black blood in it. -- Today describe with details if there has been continued poop issues. Or has the poop issue cleared up today? Are you putting his meds in his dinner to dose them? Not a good idea if you are. Best is to pill your dog either by 1) pushing the tablet to the back of his mouth. See see the video below 2) of putting the tablet inside of a yummy treat. Three treat method to pill a dog Put the pill into the well of a small mashed banana ball, a cream cheese ball, liverwurst ball, Gerber Lil' meat sticks, or inside of a sticky small marshmallow and sealed completely so no taste is on the exterior. Use the three treat method. Prepare 2 treats with no meds inside PLUS the med ball. Give plain treat while holding med ball in front of eyes. The idea is your dog will be greedy after the first treat to get the 2nd. Immediately hold the 3rd plain treat so she will hurry to swallow the med ball to get to treat #3. Dosing liquid medicationsPlace the tip of the Syrine in the mouth, just behind one of the canine teeth. Angle the syringe slightly to the side and deposit the medications onto the tongue.  * source: vcahospitals.com/Confirm you have been able to dose the Pepcid AC 5mgs 2x/day to protect the stomach agains the extra acids Prednisone and stress cause? |
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Post by Chiiin & Milo on Sept 3, 2022 15:54:26 GMT -7
He only had 1 episode of loose stool, no form.. after dinner last night (sept 3 in phil time) my sister moved him out of his crate o she could clean it and that's when he pooped loose stool on the floor. and
today, morning (sept 4 phil time) he wouldnt take the meds, we usually insert his meds inside chicken liver that we cut into smaller pieces. but he wont eat it. He also wants to just hide in one corner.. we are thinking he is in pain, but we couldnt give him his dose of gabapentin for today since he has no appetite.
Update: We were [phil time: 9/4 10pm ish???] able to feed him the meds. also had his first meal earlier. And he eagerly ate the treat I gave him few minutes ago. No poop yet since last night.
But he look depressed, sis and i thinks its cause he has been isolated inside the crate with no view of our garden where he used to love to run around.
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Post by PaulaM on Sept 3, 2022 20:27:44 GMT -7
Chiin, thank you so much for providing dates as it is confusing with time zone differences in dates and times. If the loose stool and not wanting to eat persist Monday morning 9/5, alert your vet by phone (to avoid a risky to the disk transport) to get a prescription to sucralfate: -- It is more likely you are dealing with a dog in pain (not depression) since you could not get his one pain med (gabapentin) down him at anytime during the day Sept 4 until 4 hours ago (about 10pm your time?). -- It is also very likely Milo is suffering the effects of prednisone started on 8/29. Milo's stomach was days late to the game in getting Pepcid AC on board to suppress acids on 9/1. For most dogs Pepcid AC alone will do a good job. When it does not, then a 2nd protector is needed (SUCRALFATE). I would strongly advise alerting your vet to the RED FLAG GI tract signs Milo is suffering ( not wanting to eat, loose stools) This issue is nothing to fool around with. VERY, very STRONGLY advocate for an additional stomach protector to be Rx'd for Milo called SUCRALFATE. Pepcid AC works to suppress acid production. Sucralfate (an aluminum hydroxide compound) works in a very different way. It forms a gel coat over the areas of the stomach lining now showing damage evidenced by the signs you are observing. This gel coat bandaid helps with healing.
Please do your homework so you are prepared to do your best job advocating on behalf of Milo. Read this info written for veterinarians about sucralfate: marvistavet.com/sucralfate.pmlPlease keep us posted on this concerning stomach issue. |
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Post by Chiiin & Milo on Sept 27, 2022 2:56:37 GMT -7
Hi All! I realized I haven't updated on here for a while, there really is nothing much to update.
It's been exactly a month from when milo was diagnosed with IVDD. He is off all meds now, except for the nerve supplements and vitamins. He still couldn't walk, no tail wagging and cant pee on his own yet, but is feeling so much better, He is mostly back to his normal self, likes barking a lot.
He has acupuncture 1x a week which he seems to like, (he gets exited when we tell him he is going to the vet) and vet advice to do mild massages and exercises at home which my sis does every other day. Vet also advised us to give him smaller meals so he can loss weight, that way he can carry his body.
Not sure if He has DPS but sis said he has, because he reacted when vet did the test of pinching on his foot, I was not there when vet did the test. We tried pinching his foot ones at home but all we see is him trying to move his legs away and then tried to move away, but he does'nt seem to realize we were pinching his foot, he did not turn to look at the pinched foot but he did try to move away though.. and accding to what we read online it may only be a reflex?
Also, we are a bit confuse about his pee, there are times where he would sniff around a small area in the backyard and a gush of urine would come out, but there are also times where we have to express him cause he wont even try to sniff, but we think his bladder is full because urine would leak when he is being carried.
We are just really hoping He can walk again.. but still has no sign of that yet which is making us sad and a little hopeless. Is it still early to tell?
Thanks a lot for all your advice. Your website is my favorite place to go to when ever I feel hopeless, I think I've read and gone through almost all of your success stories here.
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Post by PaulaM on Sept 27, 2022 8:27:15 GMT -7
Chiin, Moderator Paula is reading and replying......
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Post by PaulaM on Sept 27, 2022 9:45:06 GMT -7
Chiin, love hearing off all meds and Milo's spirit is back to his old self! We wait til owner confirms off all meds and proof of no pain before explaining how to do some very, very light least aggressive of range of motion for paralyzed legs. The single most important of care during the 8 weeks is to make sure the early healing disc is not disrupted by too much movement of the back.  RANGE OF MOTION for PARALYED LEGS during CONSERVATIVE Make sure your sister is doing nothing strenuous and nothing that would involve twisting or much impact movement of the spine. See the right hand column for a very good article by a veterinary professional and a video to help you care for paralyzed legs to keep the joints from freezing up and maintain muscle circulation while still keeping to the principles of limited movement to the spine during conservative treatment
During conservative treatment gentle ROM and massage video:
DIET Now is not the time to start a diet. The reason is nutrition is never more important than during healing. The body actually needs additional protein and nutrients because the body is calling upon its reserves to fuel all the many repair jobs that have to be performed so that healing can take place. Now is no time to be restricting and denying the body that badly needed nutrition by reducing portions just because because of inactivity. Cut out commercial hi-cal treats and sub for low cal small pieces of apple, carrot or frozen green beans, frozen broth cube to lick on. Read more: dodgerslist.com/2020/05/22/diet-nutrition/At graduation on Oct 25, Milo will be able to safely begin a program of increased physical activity. That will help to get him back to a normal weight if he has gained. Stay in touch, we have LOTS of ideas and tips for safely introducing activity and getting back to family life on Oct 25. Bladder control may be returning but not yet at 100%?? Periodically take him outside for the sniff and pee test. Keep hands and sling away from the tummy area as they can kind press and express. Support his rear with your hands holding his thighs. If he does sniff and then release urine, do a quick express check until you are satisfied Milo consistently voids his bladder each potty time outing. Very often general vets do not have the training nor practiced eye to correctly identify what they observe with the pinch toe test. You likely also will not be able to learn anything from pinching toes. IN fact pinching could cause the leg to abruptly jerk in or out....not good for a back that needs no extra movement. As you can see below, if a dog can do a happy tail wag or if dog is starting to have some return of bladder control, then by definition those neuro functions would not be possible if DPS had not already first come back. MONITOR NEURO SELF REPAIR 1. Deep Pain Sensation: the first neuro function to return. DPS is the critical indicator for nerves to be able to self heal after surgery or with conservative treatment. Trust only the word of a neuro (ACVIM) or ortho (ACVS) surgeon about this very tricky to correctly idenfiy neuro function. 2. Tail wagging with joy at seeing you or getting a treat or meal. (exclude any potty time observations) Everyone can correctly ID this next neuro function! 3. Bladder and bowel control verified with the "sniff and pee" test. 4. __ Weak leg movement to scratch an ear, reposition body in the recovery suite, and then __ability to move up into a standing position, and then __ wobbly walking. 5. __ Being able to walk with more steadiness and properly place the paw. 6. __ Ability to walk unassisted and perhaps even run. LEARN MORE: dodgerslist.com/2021/02/06/nerve-healing-after-disc-episode/The whole focus on the 8 week of rest is to get the disc to heal by being exceptionally careful Milo's back receives no undo movement and suffer no setback to the disc which could further damage the spinal cord. Nerve healing may or may not come back in the short time it takes to heal the disc. One ought to thing more in terms of months rather than days/weeks for the slowest part of the body to heal——nerves. Please keep us updated on what is observed about Milo's neuro self repair of bladder control. |
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Post by Chiiin & Milo on Oct 2, 2022 1:03:18 GMT -7
Hi just a quick update, Milo is really able to release urine without us having to press on his tummy. We have been bringing him outside, supporting only his thighs.. sometimes he would sniff and urine will flow and sometimes urine will just automatically flow without sniffing, after he is placed on the ground. Is this a good sign? Still no tail wagging though..
Thanks a lot for your respond.
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Post by Romy & Frankie on Oct 2, 2022 7:11:10 GMT -7
If Milo is able to hold his urine until he is outside (no wet bedding or leaking when lifted) and then release it, he is beginning to regain bladder control. This is a good sign for the return of other neuro functions.
In the typical stages of healing, tail wagging returns before bladder control. This is certainly not always the case. Milo seems to be regaining bladder control before the ability to give a happy tail wag.
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Post by Chiiin & Milo on Nov 23, 2022 16:27:40 GMT -7
Hi, it's been awhile from my last update.
It has been almost a month from milo's last day of crate rest. We have allowed him outside the crate now for a few minutes. We also started taking him for a walk on a sling and a leash outside. He has been very active and has full control of his bladder, sniffs and pee when on a walk. We have also observed small movements on his legs from time to time. Hoping for more improvement in the coming months. Thank you so much for all your help, your videos and advises really helped and comforted us a lot.
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Post by PaulaM on Nov 24, 2022 10:09:10 GMT -7
Chiin, good to hear you observe some movement in the back legs. Of course we'd LOVE to hear the detail of what you saw! With graduation you will want to be aware of how to handle things when living with an IVDD dog (such as dentals, nail trimming, etc) as well as having fun in a safe way with Milo. Check out this page for lots of ideas: dodgerslist.com/living-with-ivdd-tips-2 |
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