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Post by jo on Aug 16, 2013 22:59:34 GMT -7
My 3 yr old doxie Molly had surgery for herniated disc 7/7 & has completed. 8 week crate rest--ventrolateral (left) extradural spinal cord compression at T11-T13 disc spaces. Surgeon did final exam August 1. We did laser treatments while she was on crate rest & now doing rehab session every 2 weeks--laser therapy, water treadmill, & exercises for us to do at home. She is on no medication now & doesn't seem to have pain. Molly has shown great progress & is now walking without sling support although still a little wobbly. Therapist wants me to begin letting Molly go up/down a few carpeted stairs (on leash). I'm not sure I'm comfortable with Molly on stairs--I'm afraid she'll hurt herself again. Are stairs ok?
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Post by Marjorie on Aug 17, 2013 5:59:34 GMT -7
Welcome, Jo. I'm so glad that Molly has done so well following her surgery. You certainly did all that you could for her to get her up and about and it shows! The therapist is completely wrong. Knowing that Molly has IVDD, which is a lifelong disease, he should never have recommended a few stairs or any stairs, whether on leash or not. With a dachshund's leg being so short, the impact of going up or down stairs takes quite a toll on their backs. Actually, any dachshund should be carried up and down stairs, whether they have IVDD or not, to prevent back problems. Ramps should be used if you have a few stairs or steps that Molly needs to maneuver, such as outside steps. She should be carried up and down flights of stairs. And no jumping up and off of beds, couches or chairs. Here are some tips on making your home back friendly. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/protectback.htmHere's a very good video on the proper way to lift and carry her: Molly will be living what we call her "new normal". Things need to be a bit different for her from now on. No need to keep her in a bubble but a few changes should be made. She also should never have a leash attached to a collar again, but only a harness, so the pulling stress will be across the chest. Here's a good article on living with IVDD: www.dodgerslist.com/index/ivingivdd.htmI hope Molly continues to do well and has no further disc episodes in her life. All the best to you both.
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Post by Stevie & Cleopatra on Aug 17, 2013 13:02:17 GMT -7
Hi Jo, I just wanted to say that my surgeon (who I really like) told me at Cleo's 3 month checkup after surgery that she was "lust like a normal dog," and could use stairs and jump on the couch again. I said , "OK, thanks," and secretly thought, not a chance! We don't have any stairs in our house, but Cleo and my other Doxie, Auggie will be using the ramp to the couch for the rest of their lives! As Marjorie said, this is a lifelong disease, why add any risks to the situation that do not have to be there? You are doing a great job helping Molly make progress, keep up the good work!
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Post by jo on Aug 17, 2013 19:10:04 GMT -7
Thanks guys for the responses. Molly is getting better every day. She's getting her sparkle back. I checked out the links you included. So glad I wasn't just being too protective about the stairs. I'll feel much better about not doing that exercise with her each day. She is walking up/down the slope in our yard as well as several small/medium size banks when we go for walks around our yard 3-4 times each day. I'll talk with the rehab therapist about why I don't want to do stairs with Molly. She had told me it would help build strength in Molly's legs. Could you fill me in on supplements--Dr. didnt mentiion using supplements so I'm completely in the dark on that. Also early signs of another episode. I plan on changing vets as Molly was in for annual visit week before this happened & was there to have her teeth cleaned when it happens. Seems vet should have picked up on this before disc ruptured during the dam visit. Took in happy little girl & picked up my very hurt baby. My 1st reaction was that someone had dropped her.
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Post by Marjorie on Aug 17, 2013 19:35:59 GMT -7
To be too cautious is better than taking risks, at least in my opinion. So good to hear that Molly is still showing improvement. All you need to learn about IVDD supplements is here: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/Supplements.htmDogs are experts on hiding pain. If you see any signs of pain (shivering, trembling, yelping when picked up or moved, reluctant/slow to move head or body, nose held to the ground, head held up high, tight hard tummy, holding leg up flamingo style...not wanting to bear weight on the leg), immediately crate her and take her to a vet. I remember that my Jeremy started walking slower right before his first episode and got very quiet for a day or so before the pain really started. If that happens again, I'll crate him for the rest of the day and see how he's moving around the next day. It definitely sounds like a change in vets is in order. How awful that she could have been hurt at the one place that's supposed to keep her healthy and well. Try to find a vet who is familiar with IVDD so he'll know how to handle her and what to do if she has another problem. More on that here: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/VetchkList.htmPlease keep in touch and let us know how Molly progresses. All the best to you both.
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Post by PaulaM on Aug 19, 2013 10:05:12 GMT -7
Marjorie covered your questions quite well. I would just like to chime in on teeth cleaning and other procedures that require anesthesia. This information will help you to remind/alert those caring for Molly in the future: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/IVDDcourse/precautions.htmlIt is not until about 3-7 years old that the owners or the vet would even know a dog was born with disc disease. It is the first signs of pain (shivering, not wanting to move, yelping, etc) that the vet may be able to diagnose a disc problem. An xray would be used to rule out other diseases that mimic a disc problem such as fractures, tumor, etc.) Xray might be used to suspicion where a disc problem might be but certainly can't prove it…. only advanced imaging does that (MRI, CT). So at that dental, neither you nor your vet had any inkling Molly was born with a degenerative disease….. intervertebral disc disease (IVDD) unless she had already had some disc issues prior. From this point on your self-education program of reading, reading is how you will protect Molly. As now you need to be in the roll of Captain of her health care team. You hire the right vet, you discuss all treatments and meds …. you are now a critical part of Molly's care not blindly following instructions but with full understanding of why. If you have not already started these two links will have you up to speed in no time: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/IVDDcourse/index.html [shortcut through IVDD] www.dodgerslist.com/healingindex.htm [Phases of healing during a disc episode]
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Post by jo on Aug 19, 2013 15:14:57 GMT -7
Thank you both for helping me trust my feelings, the information, & the overall support. I will continue to read all the great information in the links. I am trying to find a vet in our area who cares for ivdd babies. Have found a clinic nearby that I plan to contact & speak with the vet. Molly continues to do well I think. I do notice that she curves her back up a little when she begins to get tired as we walk. That's how I am interpreting it. She doesn't seem to tremble/ shake, etc. so I am hoping she doesn't have pain now. She is most definitely becoming quite spoiled--as if she wasn't already. She is slowly understanding that I now prefer her to lay in her bed beside my chair rather than sit in my lap. I'm in the process of making a nice big floor cushion for us to enjoy together. She loves me laying on the floor with her. She curls up against me just like she used to do in the bed.
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Post by jo on Aug 27, 2013 19:46:17 GMT -7
We have an appointment with a new vet next week. I've read the info on things I need to ask. This clinic was recommended by someone where Molly had her surgery. I am going to get her records from our old vet--she was seen there since she was a pup--to take with me & will also take the report from the surgeon. Should I try to get her xrays? When I called to make the appointment I explained that she had surgery in June & asked to see the vet with most experience with ivdd. Hopefully this will be a good choice for us. I'm a little nervous about finding the best vet for her. Wish us luck. Thanks again for all the good information & support.
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Post by Marjorie on Aug 28, 2013 4:09:10 GMT -7
Yes, I would definitely get her x-rays and take them to the new vet. Take your list of questions with you so you have them in front of you when speaking to the vet. Take your time and be sure you get all of your questions answered. Remember - you hired this vet to care for Molly and he works for you. I hope it all goes well.
How is Molly doing?
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Post by jo on Aug 28, 2013 14:40:55 GMT -7
Molly still walks a little wobbly but nothing drastic. She has learned to walk a little slower on our wood floors. At first she wanted to move quickly from rug to rug but now realizes she can do fine if she takes it easy. She's interested in playing with her toys again. I did weed out those that she always wanted to shake. She seems to be learning that its just as nice to sit/lay on the floor as on the couch. I still pick her up to lay in my lap when she asks--just am careful that she stays still in my lap. She continues her self-regulated bed rest. Still crate her when I'm not around. Molly's really good about going in her crate. I have a larger 1 downstairs & a smaller 1 by my bed for her to sleep in. I am still walking her up/down slopes in the yard. I threw her collar away--only use harness now. She's learned to pick her feet up to put it on. I have used her cable some outside while doing yard work to give her some freedom. We go for therapy tomorrow & to new vet Tuesday.
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Post by jo on Sept 4, 2013 8:21:51 GMT -7
We saw the new vet yesterday. He does orthopedic surgery, but refers for IVDD. He said he does not have the imaging equipment needed for this. (Glad he was honest)For stage 1 or 2 episodes, he does crate rest/meds, said stage 3 was questionable. Could try crate rest/meds to see if there was improvement first. Stage 4-5 he refers right away. Knows the surgeon who did Molly's surgery, reviewed his notes & x-rays along with all of her medical records from old vet, & did a neuro exam. She has mild muscle atrophy in left rear leg, normal patellar reflex, mild CP right rear, moderate CP left rear. She doesn't have full sensation in top of feet yet to prevent knuckling--better in right than left--but thinks that will improve over next few months as is last to return. I only notice complete knuckling when she squats to go potty now, but still notice slight "toe dragging" especially on left when she is getting tired when we walk. Dr. recommended putting her on Cosequin, although he said research hasn't confirmed that it does all it is claimed to do. (Said he had his 2 older dogs on it & takes it himself for a disc problem.) Told me to go on line to get it if I decided to give it to Molly as it was much cheaper that way. As for Molly & the Dr.--she was doing her normal "shake & shiver, I'm scared" thing while we were waiting. Once the Dr. came it, he introduced himself to me & then directed all of his attention to Molly--lots of calm talking to her & scratching/petting. The shaking stopped right away & she seemed to really like him. That's a huge plus in my book. I felt very comfortable with him, he took lots of time to explain things/answer my questions. Asked where he went to school--Ohio State (go Buckeyes! We have a farm in Ohio). He is actually from Tiffin, Ohio which is about 10 miles from our farm there, & knows the vet in Tiffin where I took Molly for laser treatments following her surgery. Her surgery was here in Maryland but we were in Ohio for weeks 3-7 of her crate rest/recovery time. Anyway, I think we will use this Dr.
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Post by PaulaM on Sept 5, 2013 12:15:23 GMT -7
Sounds like you have found a good good vet…. that and most importantly doing your own self study of the disease, Molly would be in good hands.
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