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Post by rudithor on Aug 5, 2013 11:24:29 GMT -7
Hi jiorio
I am so sorry to hear about your sister-in-law's doggy! It always a terrible feeling when you hear such news. But I've learned that its best to immediately think positive things. And DON'T let negativity run over your mind.
If I can give my two cents of advise. Here in South-Africa, the summer time can sometimes be brutal, and the one thing that can really affect a dog in a very negative way, is heat. What I've seen from me and Luka's daily walks (before the leg issue came up), was that he quickly gets very hot. walking continuously for long periods of time and even running raises their metabolism extremely fast, thus resulting in their body producing heat quickly. So they need to cool down. What I've learned from our walks, is that, after walking, I'd usually take a sponge full of plain tap water (cold) and run it over his neck. I'd actually keep on doing this until his neck is completely wet. Note, I don't wet the entire body!
Then, I also take some more water, and run the sponge on the inside of his hind legs (on the area of his pelvis where there is no hair / or less hair). Wetting that area as well as the neck, results in them cooling down very fast.
I know its not always recommended to shave husky's, but having a professional doggy parlor do a medium hair cut on a husky is also good. I've had Luka done once (their hair grows back very slowly), but it helps cool them down. Note, a medium hair leaves about 3 cm hair, so its NOT too short, but it gives that added cooling affect. The one great thing about our yard, is that we have a very shallow and small fish pond (no fish obviously), and after walks, Luka would usually go jump in the pond and splash water all over himself.
Point is, Husky's are working dogs, so they LOVE the running sessions, jumping, pulling etc. BUT, they also need to cool down. And if they stay in a very hot city, they need the help of their owners to cool them down. Ice packs can also help, but not against the skin, maybe in a cloth or something.
Shame man, I really hope your sister-in-law's husky heals up. Please keep us updated!!
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Post by rudithor on Aug 5, 2013 11:45:25 GMT -7
Paula, I just bought Luka some new Dog shoes (Trixie walker active, non slip shoes). Wanted to add an image to this reply, but can't see an "add image" option, please advise on how to do this Paula? So, I found this website that discribes the walker active shoe and has images of the shoe. I bought Luka's at a store here in South-Africa. : link to website www.trixie.de/en/prod/Dog_Walker_Active_Protective_Boots,16929 I really recommend non slip boots or shoes for dogs with back problems. I think it is also very important especially after strick cage rest or even after an opp. One should always be sure that your dog can not slip and hurt his back even more. And if you have tiles in your house, then non slip shoes are a must. If I can give some advise. You do get those doggy socks with little rubber dots at the bottom. I do not recommend those if your dogs is going to wear them for long periods of time. Those socks sometimes turn over while your dog is walking. This can be even more dangerous because the chnaces of your dog slipping is even greater. Rather go for a shoe or boot that has velcro to fasten arounnd the lower leg, and has a slab of rubber underneath. Also important that the shoe is breathable. Luka had shoes that looked like rubber balloons, they helped allot, BUT, I had to clean Luka's feet every night because these shoes did not breath and Luka's feet actually became very hot and "stinky". I would also Like to post some pictures of the ramp I built Luka over the past week. Maybe this could give some people a few ideas on how to build a ramp? Cost me about R600 (60.96 US Dollars) and a little bit of effort.
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Post by PaulaM on Aug 5, 2013 12:53:22 GMT -7
Rudi, images need to first be uploaded to any server…Flicker, our photo gallery, etc. Then you just copy the URL (adddress) of the photo from your browser and paste into your forum post. You should have much better luck with boot staying on than we do with our small breed dogs. Other options are to laydown rug runners for Luka's common paths in the house to give needed traction on smooth floors. We look forward to seeing your new ramps! The cost sounds very reasonable. Here is Dodgerslist gallery if you do not already have a commercial photo gallery to upload and copy the url. dodgerslist.boards.net/thread/260/upload-photo-dog
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Post by Marjorie on Aug 5, 2013 13:34:06 GMT -7
Good job on getting Luka non-slip shoes, Rudi. The shoes that were like rubber balloons that you mentioned - were they PAWZ? That's the only shoe that I can use with Jeremy. I have to keep reinforcing them with duct tape because he drags his feet and they get holes in them pretty quickly. The duct tape helps a lot. PAWZ are waterproof and it's recommended that they not be left on for an extended period of time as they don't breathe. With Jeremy's neuro problems, none of the other shoes I tried were flexible enough for him to walk in. I just use them for walking on the street. In the house I use rug runners and keep the hair clipped around the pads of his feet. I don't think that any shoes should be kept on for too long as dogs sweat through their feet. I'll have to check out the ones you bought for Luka since the PAWZ wear through so quickly.
I'm looking forward to seeing your new ramp. I'd love to build a ramp from my side door so I don't have to keep taking Jeremy out the front door. I was going to look into getting some type of ready-made ramp but there are three steps it would have to go over and I wouldn't want it to be too steep.
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Post by rudithor on Aug 5, 2013 14:06:52 GMT -7
Hi Marjorie.
Yes, they are the PAWS shoes. I think they work better for smaller dogs. They helped Luka, but because their in such a bubble shape, I also had to tape them up every morning. Because Luka has some neuro issues (getting better), when turning around, he use to step on the other foot's shoe, and he sometimes almost tripped over his own feet. It just became such an effort to tape them up with duck tape every day. And, because the duck tape is sticky, the shoes actually started to look really really bad because water couldn't wash off the stickiness.
When I researched doggy shoes, I saw allot of socks with those rubber dots underneath. Maybe you could try those. I know they work better with smaller dogs. The shoes I bought come in sizes XS,S,M and all the way up to XXL. they're not AS flexible as the PAWS rubber shoes, but, their actual shoes that can breath and you can adjust them with the velcro. Log in to Google, and type in, Non slip shoes for dogs, and you'll find loads of options. And actually, there are more shoes available for dogs abroad, than here in SA.
The ramp I made was built over 2 big steps going down. Basically one landing going down the steps ending on a horizontal landing that is level with the last step, and then another one going down from the horizontal landing to the grass. Won't work building a ramp that starts at the top and runs down all the way to the ground. Ill post photos soon!
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Post by rudithor on Aug 25, 2013 10:13:58 GMT -7
Just an update on Luka.
He's almost done with his 8 week rest period. And... He has not improved. I wouldnt say he has become worse, but he has not become any better than what he was.
This should be the time in which I reduce his medication, but unfortunatelly I can't do it. I also don want to take Luka back to the animal hospital because I know exactly what they are going to tell me. And that is that surgery is the only option. And also I quote one of the doctors comments "the results you have at the end of the 8 weeks, is what you will be stuck with".
The past week he has shown weakness in his hind legs more frequently when standing and eating. So, I went to my previous vet and asked them to put Luka back on Tramadol. Luka seems to be doing better after tramadol, which the vet says is an indication that Luka has pain. Which in his case is actually good because it means we can treat it.
Dr Hans from Valley Farm still says that Hydrotherapy would not help seeing that the communication between the brain ans the back leg muscles are suppressed. I voiced this to my previous vet, and he said the following:
"it doesn't make sense that Dr Hans who is a surgery specialist would say that Hydrotherapy would not help. Dr Hans said you could take Luka for a quick walk in the mornings and evenings, but he says Luka should not do Hydrotherapy? I do not agree with this. Luka is moving which means his muscles are infact moving and working. So why would hydrotherapy not help. Hydro will not hurt his spine as he is basically just walking, but the leg muscles are working to a higher extent".
Having said that, I dicided to take Luka for Hydro from September onwards. This is a real catch 22 situation. And Hydro is basically my last option. If Hydro does not help, Luka will have to have surgery, which I cannot afford.
So this is my update. After 8 weeks there has been no improvement, and it seems that Hydrotherapy might be the only solution left.
Please include Luka in your prayers. I am beyond the point of being all sad about this, because its starting to become one huge losing battle.
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Post by PaulaM on Aug 25, 2013 12:31:56 GMT -7
Weakness in the hind legs would be nerve damage..which can take time of month(s) to self heal. Also with crate rest you would expect some muscle weakness to also develop which will come back after crate rest when it is safe to do some walking.
Pain could also be IF he might have some arthritis going on. So you do have a difficult time in zeroing in on what the pain is stemming from. Is it arthritis or is it still a disc pushing on the spinal cord.
Can you bring us up today on the meds" 1. was Rimadyl stopped and was the Neurontin (gabapenin) stopped at all? Stopping both of those is to see if shivering, yelping or any other signs of pain surface. It is swelling in the spinal cord that causes a lot of pain. Doing a test to stop all of Luka's meds is to clarify if a disc is still causing pain by pushing on the cord. The hope is that the disc would shrink away from the cord and allow the nerves to get used to an intrusion indicated by no pain. At this point with graduation day to be Aug 29, his disc should have formed some really secure scar tissue and allow you to safely begin a slow and gradual introduction back to physical activity.
If Luka has arthritis, that could account for rising up slower and yes Tramadol would relieve that type of pain. Also with arthritis the more you move about the better is is to lessen pain. Mornings arthritis can be more painful and as the day goes on with movement the better it is.
IF the disc has not yet shrunk back enough to make the spinal cord happy and you are not going to do surgery, it may be that Luka would need some meds to help give comfort for the rest of his life…. or at least until enough shrinkage had happened. And IF this is arthritis then do use pain meds…. if tramadol or other med will do the trick it can give her a new lease on life.
Can you do a test now of stopping all her meds Rimadyl and Gabapentin and Tramadol to get a clear picture on pain in the spinal cord before graduation on Aug 29?
Hydrotherapy underwater threadmill is often used to help expedite coordination of the leg muscles, the nerves to learn the art of walking again. This therapy will not do any harm it. Since Luka can walk... the treadmill in Luka's case could be used as a PT challenge for his muscles to strengthen. Same as if you walked her along a pond walking in water is more work. You can do the same by also just slowly building his stamina, her muscle strength on daily walks starting on graduation day.
I'm sorry you and your vets are having such a challenge to figure out exactly where his problem is, if he has had two problems at the same time (arthritis and disc) or just the disc all along.
Let us know how the underwater treadmill works in September.
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Post by rudithor on Aug 25, 2013 13:17:08 GMT -7
Hi Paula, Thank you for the feedback. As mentioned before, Luka was treated for arthritis for a year because the first vet's X-rays was not that clear. She diagnosed Luka with Arthritis. I got a second opinion early July and had another X-ray done as well as MRI. Luka has absolutely not arthritis. Bones and joints are healthy. Luka finished his 50 neurontin tablets about 3 weeks ago. Up until now, Luka has only been on the Rimadyl (75mg morning and night). The first vet originaly perscribed Tramadol when she diagnosed Luka with Arthritis. So, seeing that Luka struggles to stand up, I thought it might be an indication of pain, so I asked the first vet to give me Tramadol again. So, Luka is now on the rimadyl and tramadol, one of each morning and night! Luka has not yelped once since he started with the disc problem, only when the valley farm doctor pressed on his lower back. Since then he was on rest and on the rimadyl and neurontin tablets. By now I hope the swelling would have subsided. I will lower the rimadyl and tramadol dosage on the 28th and see what happens on the 29th etc. There were some mornings when I didn't have rimadyl as I ran out of tablets, and Luka still didn't yelp or show pain. At this point Paula, I am totally drained emotionally. Because I have now gotten 5 different diagnoses from 5 different vets, 3 include specialists. So, I guess at this stage I will have to just choose one seeing that no one can give me a direct answer. Just frustrating. But I guess it is difficult to diagnose Luka seeing that he can walk and doesn't yelp or show pain. I do agree with you that it is definitely damaged nerves. And I am relieved to here that the muscle loss is normal. Having said that, I still fully believe that the reason he stands up slowly, is because of the muscle loss. I'm praying that it is. So, to sum up. Luka has no arthritis, but I am giving him MobiFlex LD- which is rich in Glucosamine hydrochloride and Chonodroitin sulphate. This does keep his joints lubricated and healthy. He is also on GeriVet. GERIVET: www.dandydogs.co.za/pKy00508/Gerivet.aspxMOBIFLEXLD: www.dandydogs.co.za/pKy00512/Mobiflex-LD.aspxRegarding the pushing on the spine to test pain, I cannot do this. I am truly scared that I will hurt him. I would rather wait another month or so and do Hydro, and then after this, test the pain.
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Post by PaulaM on Aug 25, 2013 13:24:37 GMT -7
I would not push on the spine either… just observe with your eyes how acts…his normal perky self, no shivering, no tight tense tummy muscles. Is there is any reason you can't do the test today so you know the results well before Aug 29?
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Post by Marjorie on Aug 25, 2013 14:17:20 GMT -7
Dear Rudi, I'm so sorry to hear that Luka hasn't improved. Yes, she'll be in my prayers. And you will be, too. I know how hard and discouraging IVDD can be. I hope that she will have no pain when you stop her meds. I, too, was discouraged when Jeremy finished his crate rest on 8/19. He was not walking well at all. Had trouble standing up, took a few steps and then his hips lowered like he couldn't hold them up, his feet were tangling and his hips falling to the side. Dragging and knuckling his feet. I could have cried. I started strictly followig the suggested schedule shown on the following Dodgerslist page to build up his muscles and stamina: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/AfterCrateRest.htmWithin four days, Jeremy's strength had increased and he was able to get to his feet easier, his hips were no longer going down on him, his walking was straighter, not tangling his feet and he could turn without his hips falling over, at least if he did it slowly. Now on the 6th day after crate rest, he still has problems if he rushes and he's so excited about taking his short walks that he tries to go too fast. And his feet still knuckle occasionally. That's nerve damage and will take some time to heal. But a lot of what I was seeing at the end of the crate rest was muscle and strength loss. You can also do the exercises shown on this page. I've been doing them three times a day with Jeremy all week and believe that has helped a lot in getting his strength back. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/massagepassiveexercises.htmSo try not to get discouraged. The battle is not lost. Hopefully, once Rudi starts moving around more, the problems you're seeing will improve. I'll be looking for an update from you after you've tested Rudi's pain. Blessings to you both.
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