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Post by Sue & Chi on Jan 1, 2019 9:51:25 GMT -7
Post op 2 Weeks Hi My name is Sue and I have a 3 y/o female Chinese Crested Puff. 2 weeks ago she had a laminecimy at T-1 She had deep pain sensation prior to surgery abd the MRI showed a Herniated disc . The vet stated he took out peices of her disc She seems to be doing well. Every day there is improvement . She is starting to walk a little and she is wobbly. The knuckling has decreased and the DPS is improving . I now only have to pinch her toes slightly and she pulls back I was looking for some advice I on hydrotherapy and Acupuncture. When can I start these???. At this time she is getting therapy 3 times daily with massage and 2 different leg extensions 1) up and down pumps and 2) bicycling I do Two Sets of 20 each leg Could this be increased or another exercise added??? Thanks for all the help This site has been a life saver In terms of informationation And recommendations
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Post by PaulaM on Jan 1, 2019 11:33:57 GMT -7
Hi, Sue and welcome!
What's your girl's name? Is she on any medications at this point in time?
If she can wobbly walk then it goes without saying that she would also have to have deep pain sensation. So no need of doing that pinch thing. Often many general DVM vets get it wrong, so there is nothing you would likely learn, that leaved just irritating your dog.
Walking is a very good PT. Most dogs who can walk generally do not like their owners doing the bicyles, extensions as they can do that on their own with walking!
Underwater treadmill is an absolutely best kind of therapy is re-learning the art of perfecting walking. If it is in your budget, something to see if you girl could use as exercise in keeping in shape after a surgery as well as learning to walk better.
The movement of the hip joints and muscles and the changes in pressure on the paws from the underwater treadmill triggers spinal cord communication with the brain. Water bouyancy makes it easier than leg movements against gravity. There is not only the potential to regrow damaged neuronal pathyways but also for neuron to muscle re-education to learn the art of walking again.
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Post by Sue & Chi on Jan 1, 2019 16:09:10 GMT -7
Thank You Her name is Chi and she is a sweet loving energetic dog that loves everyone and loves to run It's so hard to see her down and not chasing toys and squirrels This is not common in our Breed , however , it seems to be popping up lately Paw prints is working on Genetic testing specific for our Breed. She had her stitches out yesterday and the wound site looks good I would like to look into the Hydro therapy Not sure of the cost in our area I live in Allentown PA North of Philly. As far as what I am reading, Chi is making g normal progress, and I am pleased with this I think I read on this site that you should let them Pee or poop and then carry them back to the house So you think that letting her walk around a bit more would be beneficial This site still has some swelling and wondering if that will go down more she is tapering off her Prednisone now and is on every other day for a week She does not show signs that f pain , however stiffens up at times when doing PT, but for the most part she is relaxed during the process oh and as far as med are concerned she had finished her Gabapentin 25 mg every 12 hours for pain surgery was December 15th prednisone is 5 mg q12 for 7 , q day for 7 and now is on every other day till Saturday she is also on Pepcid 10 md daily he also prescribed Trazadone but only had to use it twice . She is pretty content in the crate I read too about the pad in the crate for a 2 inch pad right now the pad is thicker but pretty level and firm and it doesn't sag
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Post by PaulaM on Jan 1, 2019 23:54:59 GMT -7
Sue for how many weeks does your surgeon want for post op crate rest which includes supervised PT?
What PT did your surgeon direct? Of ten when a dog can walk, even if wobbly, the pT is sometimes a walk to and from the potty place. Let us know what your surgeon directed.
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Post by Sue & Chi on Jan 2, 2019 19:03:19 GMT -7
Hi Paula The paper I received stated that she should be on restricted activity for 6 weeks And placed in a crate or small pen in the house Physical therapy was passive flexion and extension of the limbs. It seemed a bit vague These were shown to me by a vet tech on Discharge and not written . When I would call for more explicit directions , I kept asking about how many times How many sets etc and got different answers from different techs
The Vet that did the surgery was not board certified But he has done many of these surgeries I was told
I was up against the gun with time and another vet hospital told me I would have to wait 2 days for a Neurosurgeon
I think she is doing well so far She is continent of bowel and bladder, Wags her tail,Stands in her Crate and doesn't seem to be in pain, and she is waking with the harness and support, Wobbly but with enthusiasm. Every day is a small miracle and some progress She does still have a little bumpiness at the site but the wound site looks good with no infection, I called about Hydrotherapy and have eval set up for the 10th of Jan Not sure I can afford it As I already have about 7000 out And I am not rich A lot of information I am getting about aftercare is from this site. Thank you so much for your time and dedication I wish I knew if this was genetic or incidental
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Post by Julie & Perry on Jan 2, 2019 19:50:19 GMT -7
I completely understand about expenses. Have you tried care credit?
That's helpful as you can get 6 months interest free.
It also lets you break the cost down to a monthly basis. There's also a link on how to do water therapy at home at:www.dodgerslist.com/literature/watertherapy.
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Post by Pauliana on Jan 2, 2019 19:50:36 GMT -7
Hi Sue!
Here is a video that shows the exercises and how to do them..
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Post by Sue & Chi on Jan 3, 2019 13:09:29 GMT -7
Thanks and I have watched this and do utilize these exercises along with the classical Music ,of course!!! She is getting stronger each day
I wish it were warmer as I could utilize a baby pool I don't know if the bathtub would work Because I have glass doors and the tub is not very big
I did get a set of stairs for the future and have been looking at ramps
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Post by Romy & Frankie on Jan 3, 2019 14:10:35 GMT -7
It is great that Chi is doing better everyday ad you are doing so much to help her along. An IVDD dog needs to avoid stairs forever so ramps are the way to go.
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Post by Sue & Chi on Jan 5, 2019 17:51:47 GMT -7
So upon reading many of the stories and success with conservative, I hope I made the right Decision to do the surgery. The MRI showed a Slipped disc and the vet stated he took a lot of debri out of the spinal canal. Was this something that may have been treated conservatively. ??
I do t know I was led to believe that her chances would be 50/50 without surgery to ever walk again.
Although she seems to be recovering well from surgery , I worry about the outcome overall and her chances of this happening again. Is there a test that would tell me if this is Genetic???
Also should I increase the physical therapy and walk her around more to strengthen her legs . She does not seem to have much muscle tone. I am doing leg pumps and bicycle 2 sets of 20 each With massage before each session 3 times A day
She is also standing much better and I do t have to hold her back end up as much She also tries to hop when walking but does walk with support.
Surgery has been Three weeks today. Maybe I will try to walk her in the tub tomorrow. So far so good. She is eating, drinking, pooping and peeing outside. Trying to be patient and hope she will walk normally again
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Post by Pauliana on Jan 5, 2019 18:33:32 GMT -7
Hi Sue,
Don't worry so much about whether Conservative would have worked after Chi already had surgery.. Go forward with how things are now. She is recovering well and she has a great will to recover. Dogs don't worry about the same things we worry about.. They take what has happened and go forward the best they can. They find joy in every day.. We could learn a lot from them.
Touch bases with your surgeon by phone now that 3 weeks has passed and ask if there is any other PT he would recommend. Update him on how Chi is doing now..
As far as I know there is no test to determine if IVDD is genetic.. It is thought to be hereditary..Did either of her parents have IVDD or her siblings? In my Tyler's case his Dad had it but we didn't know until Tyler was 2 years old and Tyler was diagnosed the following year when he woke up paralyzed. Tyler had surgery that morning and recovered walking. He has had 5 milder episodes that we treated conservatively.. He is a happy 9 year old dog now and he is doing very well. That said multiple episodes don't happen to every dog..
Her muscle tone will improve quickly once crate rest is over and she gradually returns to activity.. We. will post the article about that when the time gets closer..
Also the percentages the vet's give are estimates.. Thankfully dogs pay no attention to that and heal to the best of their ability.. Enjoy each day with Chi, she will teach you to go forward as Tyler taught me...
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Post by Sue & Chi on Jan 6, 2019 11:38:09 GMT -7
Chi's Father or Mother did not have it ,however there is a female in her pedigree that produced 2 dogs with it and an offspring of hers that had produced some also. So there is that consideration
She is improving and now noticing here at Three weeks getting very restless in her crate, whining to get out, although I knew this would be coming.
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Post by Sue & Chi on Jan 14, 2019 19:59:34 GMT -7
Hi This is Sue with Chi We went to the Vet Today for a four week Check up since her Laminectimy He was very pleased with her progress and so am I At four weeks she is doing very well. She has been continent of bowel and bladder since the first week and has come along way with her Mobility. We take her out with the harness but she is basically walking on her own now It's not a normal walk and at times her legs buckle under but for the most part all I do is spot her with the harness. And she gets better each day, and I have been walking her up and down the small incline in Our yard. She stood the whole time on her own during the Vet appointment when the Vet was in the room (about 15 minutes)which surprised me because she was still a little wobbly here at home on the Table for PT. Stands for a while ( a minute or Two)and starts sagging. Afterwards, I was thinking maybe she thought she was in the show ring for a moment as she is trained to stand. Maybe she thought the Vet was a Judge. 😂 Any way he said she could be let out if the X-pen for supervised activity on the carpet at homeShe still is very slippery on the linoleum kitchen floor He said that is the last function to come back She is a little weak in her left leg as when he knuckled her feet she corrected herself on the right but not the left. He thought that the hydro therapy would be good for her for strengthening but said she probably didn't need the Accupuncture. I am going to try a Kiddie pool and/or large feed bin for paddling. So at this point we are moving forward at a good pace.!!!!!' Thanks so much to all of you for all the advice and knowledge on this site. It was very valuable and !appreciated. I am still learning from other posts!!! Will check Back
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Post by PaulaM on Jan 14, 2019 20:10:39 GMT -7
Super good report!!! With time she very likely will improve her gait, knuckling. Glad to hear there is going to be a slow and gradual pace to getting her back to family life. You might like to take a look and see how you can adapt your home to be back friendly. Determining how you are going to ease back into more normal activity.. The idea is to gradually give more freedom under controlled conditions. Not free reign of the house and yard immediately! LOL Take a look at our information and then come up with a plan to gradually increase activity over about a month's time following the end of crate rest. Also check out how to teach four paws on the floor! www.dodgerslist.com/literature/AfterCrateRest.htmWhat about some home modifications so that you can reduce the stress on the spine in the future. No more stairs, ramps up to furniture, or blocking furniture all together. All those ideas and more are in this link: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/protectback.htmWe love it when members have a mind to pay forward and help another. We invite you to hop on to our educational bandwagon team in any way that makes you happy. Education about disc disease is our number one mission! We wish we did not have to hear of another dog that was put to sleep because of disc disease nor one denied the correct principles of crate rest to help them heal.
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Post by Sue & Chi on Sept 8, 2020 21:24:27 GMT -7
Chi just got spayed
Chi had disc surgery in December of 2018 so it’s been almost 2 years I took her to the Vet to get spayed today and have some concerns I picked her up at 5 PM and was told she may still be sleepy and groggy till tomorrow It’s 12:22 am and she is still not walking around I pinched her back paws and she doesn’t seem to respond So now I am worried that something may have happened to her back Could this be possible
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Post by PaulaM on Sept 8, 2020 23:41:06 GMT -7
Sorry to hear about Chi The single most important thing to do is immediately crate her to prevent further damage to a very suspicious sounding disc episode. Get to the vet first thing in the morning as soon as possible to get a diagnosis. If this is indeed a disc episode then anti-inflammatory, pain meds, Pepcid AC would be the treatment. Do not delay in getting vet help. Hours matter with spinal cord danage. What meds was she sent home on? What meds did they give her at the clinic? Refresh your self on anti-inflammatories steroids versus NSAIDS dodgerslist.com/2020/04/18/steroids-vs-nsaid/Please keep us posted on the diagnosis, meds Rx’d.
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Post by Sue & Chi on Sept 9, 2020 6:17:00 GMT -7
Actually I think she is OK. I got back from the vet around 5 PM and she was still very groggy Maybe I just panicked because she didn’t want to walk around At about 5 Am she got up and walked over to me and wagged her tail. At 9 am I took her outside and she walked around fine There doesn’t seem to be any back issues I guess it just took her longer to come out of the anesthesia. Chi has actually been doing well since her surgery in 2018. She has had no signs of a relapse. I will continue to keep an eye on her though and thanks for your response. I will mention it to the vet though
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Post by Marjorie on Sept 9, 2020 6:22:05 GMT -7
Good news, Sue. I hope all continues to go well today and it was just a case of grogginess from the anesthesia.
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Post by Jessica on Sept 17, 2020 15:01:51 GMT -7
Hi Sue - How is Chi doing now? She has such a sweet smile!
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Post by Sue & Chi on Jun 8, 2022 17:03:43 GMT -7
[POSSIBLE SIGN of DISC EPISODE June 8, 2022] Hi my name is Sue and My dog’s name is Chi. Chi is a 6.5 yo female Chinese crested with a history of IVDD 3 years ago Chi had a ruptured disc and was operated on successfully. dodgerslist.boards.net/thread/6618/sues-surgery-5wks-chines-crested I was on this forum and found it extremely helpful during this time. Chi has been doing very well since her surgery and pretty much back to 100 %. For a long time Last week [June 1?] I noticed that she did not want to come up the porch steps, and this was one of the first signs that something was wrong 3 years ago We do have a ramp in the house for the bed But we didn’t put one to the outside steps as there are only 2. Tonight [6/8] I took her to the Vet for an X-ray and a Lyme test. She was negative for Lyme, however, there was evidence of disc calcification on L5 and L6, arthritis on L7 and S1 shown on X-ray. Her original surgery was more in her middle back. We discussed some options for treatment Since she did not seem to show any signs of pain I opted out for the Gabapentin at this time. The Vet gave me some Glucosamine chondroitin and Omega oil treats to try. Well she doesn’t like the treats so will have to try another brand or way to give them. A couple of questions Do you think I should try the Gabapentin?? Would crate rest be appropriate at this time? She is walking and even running normal, Should I just try to limit her activities? We will build a ramp for the outside steps. What else can I do? I realize that the calcified disc is a time bomb so I am just trying to avoid a rupture that would injure her spine. Thank you for your time
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Post by PaulaM on Jun 8, 2022 20:33:10 GMT -7
Sue if there is any thought that a disc is the cause of pain in use of steps, then #1 care ASAP (NOW!) is limited movement so as not to further damage the disc and possibly damaging nerves! The disc needs limited movement to form strong scar tissue. CRATE REST during conservative treatment is STRICTER that post-op.MEDs: Meds (gabapentin for nerve pain, methocarbamol for muscle spasm pain) are used to provide comfort from pain, Pepcid AC is to protect the GI tract from the anti-inflammatory drug. Here on the Forum we depend on a vet diagnosing what is most likely the cause of back pain. If there is any thought a disc is involved, she needs to be crated. Let us know what the top reason (arthritis or disc) your vet thought caused the back pain. A review of how to care for a dog who is confirmed having been born with IVDD and may be suspected now of having current disc episode by the vet: dodgerslist.com/2020/05/14/strict-rest-recovery-process/
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Post by PaulaM on Nov 3, 2022 16:39:36 GMT -7
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