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Post by gfoak3 on Jun 17, 2013 20:43:14 GMT -7
My sweet 10 year old rott mix is having her first running with IVDD. it has been 48 hrs since it set in.
the only small encouraging sign is a mild improvement in ability to walk outside.
she is on tramadol (you can really tell when it wears off) and caprofen.
i can't help but downward spiral in thought... Hoping for some encouraging words from dogs who have made a good recovery.
she might be older than 10 (she was a rescue), so I worry that surgery would not be the best choice if it comes to that...
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Post by PaulaM on Jun 17, 2013 21:04:47 GMT -7
Welcome to Dodgerslist. My name is Paula what is yours and your dog's name? First thing to know is that it IS in the cards for your dog to get back to enjoying life after recovering. What can make a great deal of difference is your own self education. Knowledge is the best defense in fighting and winning with this disease. Reading others posts on the forum can be of comfort. But the meat of what you need to know is on our main web page. A very quick way to get up to speed on meds, how healing happens and when for each of the phases is the "Overview: the essentials" yellow button. Then work your way through the rest of the orange and blue buttons to complete your education. Here's the link www.dodgerslist.com/healingindex.htm Can you fill us in on a few more details so we'll be better able to support you? -- Is there still currently pain - shivering, trembling, yelping when picked up or moved, reluctant/slow to move head or body, tight hard tummy? Tramadol is usually prescribed 3x a day as it has a very short half life in order to fully control pain. More on the pain meds used with a disc episode: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/healingpain.htm-- What are the exact names of meds currently given, their doses in mgs and frequencies? With Carprofen, a stomach protector should be in use… Pepcid AC. The FDA and manufacturer pkg insert indicate gastrointestinal problems are side effects of using NSAIDs. The natural defenses of the stomach to shield against stomach acid is hindered when taking NSAIDs. Serious gastrointestinal toxicity such as bleeding, ulceration, and perforation, can occur at any time, with or without warning symptoms. Phrase the question to your vet this particular way:" Is there a medical/health reason for my dog not to take Pepcid?" If there is no reason, we follow vets who are proactive in stomach protection. It is good to be knowledgeable about each of your dog's meds. This directory is in alpha order: www.marvistavet.com/html/pharmacy_center.htm-- Currently is your dog wobbly walking? Paws knuckling? -- Eating and drinking OK? -- Poops OK - normal color and firmness no dark or bright red blood? Great info on setting up the recovery suite, how to do 100% STRICT crate rest 24/7. Look on the right for the pink box: www.dodgerslist.com/literature.htm
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Post by StevieLuv on Jun 18, 2013 9:11:04 GMT -7
Hi, my name is Maureen. Conservative treament IS a perfectly reasonable choice 8 weeks of crate rest is a must, and there are members here with big dogs - you might want to check out their postings. Tony with Buddy the Lab, and Jude with Penny the Rottweiller. They will have tips and insights that those of us with the " pick'em up and carry them" breeds might not think of Try not to panic or despair, we are all here for you and will do anything that we can to help Keeping you in thought and prayer.
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Post by gfoak3 on Jun 18, 2013 17:38:35 GMT -7
SweetPea (she's got a 100 names..) is doing better today.
The first day she refused to walk, and wouldn't bear weight on her L front limb. She actually got 'stuck' a few steps from her bed in the middle of the night, being unable to stand on the hardwood.
Today is day 3. She is weight bearing... she even wanted to chase something last night when we were trying to get her to go on the front lawn. Our house and yard are full of steps. The only place we can get to without steps is the front lawn. In an urban area, it was full of distraction, making it a challenge to get her to go.
I even tried stimulating her tooshie to no avail. She went a little bit with my husband this am, and we are adding pumpkin to her food starting tonight.
She is in a carpet-ed furnished room in our basement (the only place with no stairs, the only place without hardwood floors). She is a cuddler and it's killing her to not sit with me on the sofa. The room is the farthest/quietest we can get (eg. no mailman to incite her), and very small. She is nearly 100% confined to her bed.
First night she couldn't lay down on her side without yelping: now she is able to do this. She still avoids head-shakes, and her gait is still abnormal, but no knuckling.
Her tramadol (100mg 3x day) had worn off by the time we got up and she was not in distress. We keep dosing her nonetheless to keep her calm and comfortable and ahead of the pain.
I think her case is much more mild then several others I've read about here, so hoping for the best. It will be hard for ME to reduce her activity once she heals. She's my hiking buddy and loves nothing more than a ball chase. I think light walks will probably have to be her new MO...
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Post by Pauliana on Jun 18, 2013 19:45:42 GMT -7
Here is a link that has some tips for Cervical disc episodes. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/cervical.htm to help keep her resting and comfortable.
Is the small room in the basement about the size of a crate and there is no chance she would jump up on the furniture and will it prevent her from doing the unexpected? Glad there will be no mailman problems. LOL
Glad the Tramadol is helping.. Did you ask the vet about the Pepcid AC to protect her stomach while on the Caprofen?
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Post by gfoak3 on Jun 18, 2013 21:09:49 GMT -7
Sweet pea is the biggest couch potato you'll ever meet BEFORE this incident. She is not crated, but also is rarely even stepping off of her bed. The couch has been blocked. The open floor space is enough for about 3 of her beds, and she is responding well to "stay" when we approach and she might try to get up. Like the other rotti poster, sweet pea prefers to be on her side and her crate is not conducive to that. Our house is a sea of calm, no kids or other animals to worry about. Our two biggest challenges: She likes to violently shake her head (that thing dogs do to shake out water that became engrained in their psyche). She attempted to do this again and yelped and is now not weight bearing on her left again. Peeing and pooping without walking. Hoping this improves with time. Her fluid intake is down a bit, not helping things. She routinely holds her pee 16+ hrs before this issue came up... You would have to drag her off her bed and make her go outside . Bladder like a tank and not uti susceptible (she has never had one).
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Post by natureluva on Jun 19, 2013 6:53:20 GMT -7
Hi! Is there a way you could set up an ex-pen in whatever room you are in the most, so that you can be with Sweet Pea? You could actually sit in the ex-pen with her while you watch tv.
Regarding the head shaking - not much you can do about that. But if it pains her, she likely will stop doing it.
For the breakthrough pain, ask your vet for gabapentin to be added in. It is excellent for tough-to-control cervical IVDD pain and works well with Tramadol. Remember to protect her stomach from the Carprofen as Paula indicated previously. Pepcid AC given 30 minutes before each dose of Carprofen will reduce the excess acid that drug produces. The last thing you need is for Sweet pea to get internal bleeding. Ask your vet what amount of Pepcid you should give, and tell them you want to be proactive about protecting her stomach.
To get her to drink more fluids, add low-sodium chicken or beef broth to her meals.
Best wishes, ~Lisa
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Post by Jude & Penny Lane on Jun 19, 2013 10:27:37 GMT -7
I'm sorry that you two are having to go through this. My Penny is a laid-back couch potato, also. She is a rescue and was used to being in a crate for extended hours when we got her, so we have had no issues with her in the large wire crate we now have her in. Before the accident, she would go off by herself and sleep on the sofa, the bed or the dog cushions for most of the day. Now she wants to be right with us. The photos we have posted show the set-up we have for her with the rolling crate. I can just picture us all going for a walk with one of us towing the crate with her in it. Ha, ha - never going to happen.
She has had laser therapy and acupuncture. With the acupuncture, her progress has been very noticable. We have a Help 'Em Up harness that has been very useful. That might not be something that could help you with her cervical issue. Whatever you use to help your Sweet Pea, be absolutely certain that she can't get herself into a situation that would harm her. You have to be able to control her movements as much as possiblel. Our Penny's a jumper with little regard for any barriers, which is what caused her problem in the first place. And she continues to want to do her own thing, which has complicated her disc issue. It's really difficult to manage these large girls, but we have to be alert and anticipate any problems before they occur.
If you have any questions, please ask. I will visit your page every day.
Jude
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Post by gfoak3 on Jun 19, 2013 19:58:00 GMT -7
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Post by gfoak3 on Jun 19, 2013 20:26:53 GMT -7
Sighing. Overall about the same as yesterday, but her glee over eating dinner (softened with water to get her some extra fluid, laced with pumpkin and caprofen) caused her to do her happy head/full body shake and then she screamed.
So...not any worse, and repeating mistakes that I feel powerless to control.
I've been sitting with her (next to her on the floor) reading each night for a few hours. Tonight I'm upstairs letting my own neck rest (it got shot full of steriods today, like mother like daughter).
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Post by Jude & Penny Lane on Jun 19, 2013 20:29:45 GMT -7
I hear your frustration. With Penny, it's been better, worse, better, worse, better...
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Post by gfoak3 on Jun 19, 2013 20:46:55 GMT -7
Just wanted to thank you to all of the responders, I realize my responses are scattered and don't always address your questions. Lisa - I desperately want her upstairs but then we'd have to be okay with five stairs to get outside. No stairs by keeping her down here, It doubles as my husband's man cave so she gets at least a few hours of company each evening. Jude - thanks for the support. I'm lucky this is NOT a jumper, she never has gotten into anything . Wishing the best for penny Pauliani thanks for the tip on Pepcid, I'll ask when we make our followup appt. I'm not a huge fan of gabapentin (I've had all these drugs for my own neck ) because it makes me dizzy and floaty feeling. The tramadol is good for now, j ust wished it lasted longer so we could go to work for longer.
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Post by PaulaM on Jun 20, 2013 8:42:16 GMT -7
gfoak, sorry but I can't find your name, please do not place your experience with gabapentin onto Sweet Pea. She may not have that experience at all.. and she is just staying in her recovery suite and supposed to be resting. Gabapentin actually works synergistically with Tramadol to better control pain. As long as there is pain, healing can't fully get underway.
Please do not wait another day, phone your vet this morning and ask in this particular way: is there a medical reason Sweet Pea may not take Pepcid AC? If there is no reason then get Pepcid AC (famotidine) on board today. She does not need another problem of bleeding ulcers for worse on top of the disc problem.
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Post by PaulaM on Jun 20, 2013 9:30:50 GMT -7
gfoak3's Sweet Pea 6/15 conservative Neck Rott Mix, having a "big dog" topic is a good idea in concept. The concern I have is an owner needs to stay in their own dog's thread so we have the history of past posts to avoid making a harmful comment. That important history would be lost in a general "big dog" topic.
Any harness that prevents pulling stress to the neck would be good for the spine. If Gentle Leader works for Sweet Pea to help you control her from darting off at potty times and keep to the minimal footstep idea during conservative treatment do use it.
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Post by StevieLuv on Jun 20, 2013 10:00:40 GMT -7
You are doing a great job - hopefully she will start to drop behaviours that cause her discomfort, like that full body shake. It's tough when they have a neck episode, because everything moves with their heads. I'm sorry that she has to be isolated in the man cave, but the trip outside is so much easier for both of you - I don't know if a ramp over your stairs would work or not, it may still be too much movement for her right now. Perhaps a project for after her 8 weeks in cage rest. Keeping you in thought and prayer.
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Post by Jude & Penny Lane on Jun 20, 2013 21:51:28 GMT -7
Paula, does your comment that we need to stay on our own threads mean that we shouldn't comment on another's thread? I understood that we can post on another's in order to support him or her. Is that correct? I don't want to be doing anything wrong here.
Sweet Pea's owner: I very much feel well taken care of on this "little dog" site. Also, we love the Gentle Leader harnesses. They work very well.
Jude
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Post by StevieLuv on Jun 21, 2013 8:05:57 GMT -7
I think that Paula was refering to the creation of a single "Big Dog" thread - where all of the big dogs could end up lumped together, making it really hard to follow an individuals progress or questions. We DEFINITELY DO want everyone to post on each others threads to offer advice, comfort and support! I have tried to refer members with big dogs to your threads so that they can connect and pick some tips
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