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Post by Linda Stowe on May 20, 2013 11:33:13 GMT -7
This posted for Linda regarding Rinku
his is linda from india-hope u still remember rinku, its almost 4 yrs since he last went down and this saturday, 18th he went down again- i am so upset coz its all my fault for takin it easy and ignoring his unspoken pleas to help him. i had not been getting any updates from dodgerslist for a long time, but never had the tiem to check that there are changes now and i need to refresh a lot, really sorry for my nelegence.
below is a mail i sent but it was undeliverable
guys i hope u remember me-ya, this is rinku's mom-linda-back to you like 4 yrs later. just to you that rinku has gone down again-yesterday, sat 18th morning it just happened-but yes i have to confess that its my fault-i feel so terrible for being negligent and took it easy, of course, i was taking precautions, but obviously not enough. i took him immiediately to the vet and he has been crated-the medications are as follows on arrival to the vet he was given a drip, with steroids and pain killers-from today he is on oral medication METHYCOBAL-500mg [editor:Vitamin B12] half tab x twice a day for7 days ANTOXYL FORTE [editor: Betacarotene with other mixed Carotenoid] 1 CAPSULE ALTERNATE DAYS FOR 1 month OMNACORTAIL-20 [editor: Prednisolone] 1 tab on 20th and 1 tab on 22nd ZINETAC [editor:Ranitidine] 1 tab a day for 3 days
after this tablet GLYCOFLEX half tab a day EVERYDAY FOR EVER tablet DOLOCARP 50 mg [editor: Carprofen] half tablet morn and half evening for ever. its extremely hot here in new delhi, india, like 43 degrees 'c' so i am not giving him hot formentations. people i need ur support and advice again so please be there for me thank you all. linda
hope you will lend me a hand again-and needless to say, your advice is the best and most helpfull.
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Post by PaulaM on May 20, 2013 11:56:52 GMT -7
Linda, I do remember Rinku well and am sorry to hear he is having another disc problem. WARNING: Very dangerous potential situation here. OMNACORTAIL Prednisolone and Dolocarp (Carprofen) should never be used together nor w/o a 4-7 day washout. They both are anti-inflammatories and can cause bleeding ulcers or worse of life threatinging perforated stomach lining. Everyone needs to refresh themselves about a disc episode…somehow when it happens, our minds can go blank. The good news is you did not forget to crate at once and get to the vet!!! Please do check out the topics you will want to refresh your memory on here: The Overview is a good button to start with. www.dodgerslist.com/healingindex.htm www.dodgerslist.com/monthstory/jun09.htmLinda, can you fill us in on his neuro status: -- Can he move his legs at all? -- Can he wag his tail with happiness if you do some happy talk to him? -- Does he have bladder control proved by being able to sniff an old pee spot in the grass and the release urine. Finding urine leaks in his bedding or leaking on you when lifted would be a sign he's lost bladder control and needs to be expressed. -- Are his stools normal firmness, no vomiting?
What were the exact names of all meds given at the clinic?
Is his pain fully under control as he is NOT on any pain medications from your list. Let us know you are not seeing any shivering, trembling, yelping, not wanting to move or reposition himself in his recovery suite because it hurts too much.
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Post by 54321 on May 20, 2013 21:02:48 GMT -7
hi Paula-so happy to hear from you, gives me a lot of hope and courage.
as asked for, the neuro status is as
no movement in the legs, though when i pinch between the toes, he twitches no the tail is not active yes he does sniff old pee places and does make an effort to pee there-BUT there are urine leaks and he is in a diaper, he does dribble when lifted and i have tried to express, a bit of pee comes out but not much-when i am cleaning him or making him sit on the floor for a bit he makes a good pee.
he had a motion day before- sunday morning, then monday evening and this morning-last evening and this morning the poop was like semi solid.
as of now, this moment-he is in his crate and panting with his head held high and yelping a bit.
i have mentioned the names of the meds exactly as they are on the priscription and on the packs the dosage too as prescribed.
ty-linda
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Post by PaulaM on May 21, 2013 8:45:02 GMT -7
Linda, panting can be a temporary side effect of Prednisone (OMNACORTAIL) plus with the heat there is not helping. Do you have a fan circulating air near his recovery suite but not pointed at Rinku? Or do you have air conditioning? If his poop is getting softer, that can be a sign of Prednisone causing damage to the GI tract. Please do not take any chances specifically ask for another stomach protector to be on board called sucralfate. If you can also make a change to the news of the stomach protectors famotidine instead of Zinetac (Rantidine) pursue it. Famotidine as you will read is a better protector with less problems with other meds. www.marvistavet.com/html/famotidine.htmlIt is important to speak with the vet about the above two things but also just as important to strongly advocate to get pain med(s) on board. This is not right that Rinku has to suffer with pain shown by holding his head high and yelping. It sounds like he has a neck disc this time. Please ask the vet for these pain meds that vets use all the time with a disc problem: Tramadol as the general pain reliever and it i s usually prescribed to be given every 8 hours because it is short acting. Methocarbamol for the pain from muscles…that typically happen with a disc episode especially a neck one I wanted to know exact what was given at the hospital as you had mentioned pain killers. Why where no pain killers sent home with Rinku? What date is he supposed to take a NSAID, DOLOCARP/Carprofen. As long as Rinku has pain, it is not a good idea to be switching from a steroid, OMNACORTAIL/Prednisolone to a NSAID. The switch would require 4-7 days washout before switching. YOu will need to read, read and make sure you have the knowledge to speak up for and advocate for Rinku's needs with the vet. This article explains what you need to know re: NSAIDs and steroids: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/healingsweling.htmLet us know you have the 2nd stomach protector on board and which pain meds you got added on board for Rinku today. YOu also need to go back for another hands on top of your hands lesson on expressing the bladder. This is a health issue to keep bladder infection away. If you learn to express, there will be no need of diapers. We do not recommend diapers as they cause their own problems and dogs abhor having to sit in their waste/feces/urine. You will get a lot more out of the lesson by looking at the video and reading the tips to express urine and to express for poop. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/Expressing.htmRinku and you can get through this again…. we are here to support you. Keep us updated on your sweet Rinku.
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Post by 54321 on May 25, 2013 3:28:40 GMT -7
hi paula
i am assuming that since the posting and messaging system is new-i have not been able to get my replies across to you-from what i observe, i have replied to your last post, but its not showing anywhere.
anyway hoping u get this-will update on rinku
he is doing well, no pain from what i can see, passing good strong pees and poop as well-looks very bright and over active. but is not able to hold himself up still, ofcourse that;s going to take its time. on saturday he wagged his tail and today he lifted it up pretty high, not hanging limply.
he is eating well too and even though the dr. said not to feed him solids-last evening he wanted some of his kibble, i let him eat some anyway-just about a small fistful, otherwise i am giving him milk with bread, chicken soup and porridge.
he is very restless due to the heat and keeps crying, no ac but we just turn on the cooler for him, that works well since its not too cold and normally ac causes joint pain, still i do cover him with a thick sheet so direct air does not get to him.
we took him to the clinic on wednesday and the dr has asked to continue for another 2 days of omnacortail-then for 3 days alternately.
he has also given a syrup- vizylac [editor: Vit B] to be given for 5 days 5ml x3 times a day.
he will have to go again on the 27th to see the dr.
i have been going thru information about massage and pt for rinku have been massaging him with the herbal oils i used the last time, but alternate days since i dont want to overdo anything. is it a good thing that when he is pinched between the toes, in the webbing he reacts by flinching the toes.
paula-this morning i put him in his cart and walked him to pee and poop-he did well and that was like 5 mts. he is happier being able to do it on his own rather then being expressed and since its a healthy wee wee he made i felt he prefers that, he is peeing about 3-4 times a day until his bed time, then he sleeps well until 6-30 or 7 am, then he gets fidgety to go out.
sometimes when i look at him-i feel he may not get better due to his age, and then i feel no-he is going to be up and about again-just hope for the latter.
will update u further as and when
best wishes
linda
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Post by PaulaM on May 25, 2013 8:12:30 GMT -7
Thanks for the update, Linda, we were wondering how Rinku was doing. The porridge is not sufficient nutrition and should be only for a few days when dealing with a diareah or vomit situation. Do transition him back on his kibble as it provides the necessary minerals, vitiamins and nutrients to carry on with all the repair jobs his body is having to do right now. The pinching between toes is a reflexive action…this kind of exercise is something that should wait until after all 8 weeks of crate rest has been completed. Pinching, tickling paws is not a good idea right now as it may cause too much movement of the back. Do make sure you are only doing the PINK highlighted info and only the red numbered items for range of motion and massage as described in this article:http://www.dodgerslist.com/literature/massagepassiveexercises.htm Can you tell us about his cart… is it a wheelchair. Wheelchair should wait until the end of 8 weeks as getting them in and out would be too much movement for the back. It would be best to carry Rinku to and from the potty place in your arms. Keeping the back horizontal to the ground and supporting his chest and butt. Here is one way you could carry him that would provide good support: That is wonderful news that bladder control is back! A sling can help keep his back aligned and his rear from tipping over. Male dogs seem to prefer a figure 8 sling that does not touch their penis at potty times. On the taper off of Omnacortail, watch for signs of pain. Pain would mean not all of the swelling is gone and the need to stay on Omnacortail a bit longer at the orginial dose. So far what you have reported is all good and that Rinku is going in an excellent direction of healing!!!! Do stay in touch as we always wonder how things are going.
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Post by Jude & Penny Lane on May 25, 2013 22:56:16 GMT -7
Linda, I'm sending positive thoughts your way as you cope with this situation. The heat must be unbearable, more so with your little guy and his issues. This, too, shall pass.
Jude
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Post by 54321 on May 26, 2013 0:05:03 GMT -7
hi paula
yes rinku is doing good-this morning he did not poop but pee'd a lot, plus he had passed urine in the night in his diaper and a good quantity as well.
i am giving him the kibble since he likes it and asks for it, he is drinking water pretty well and this morning he had his milk and bread.
the cart is one that i had got from dogstogo-laurie and larry's product and he loves it coz it gives him comfort from what i have noticed, its much more comfortable than the sling thing that i had made for him, that used to press against his peepee and cause the foreskin to go right back exposing the whole peepee, and that looked really uncomfortable also to make him squat to do his job was not easy since i would have to bend over and hold him-since i too have back and knee troubles this was turning out to be a painful excersize for me as well-but no worries, if it means its better for rinku-than i will do it.
yes we carry him just like shown in the video here and thats the way we have been carrying him ever since the last incident.
i like the slings you have shown here and will try to make one like the same and try it out.
i dont observe signs of pain but not ruling out the fact that he must be having some pain, as there is a slight quivering when he is petted along the back(yes very very gentle), now wether that is because of feeling slightly ticklish of pain, i cannot say-but he does not cry out or any such thing.
tomorrow he has to be taken to the vet as well and i hope they say all is well.
wish him luck please.
thanks
linda
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Post by 54321 on May 26, 2013 0:08:45 GMT -7
thank you Jude-thats swell of you to understand and care.
just hoping rinku recovers well and will be able to get around doing his thing like he did.
linda
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Post by Linda Stowe on May 30, 2013 15:10:27 GMT -7
Reposting this for Linda An update on rinku-he is doing good, and this morning he was wagging his tail like he normally did-full strength and the happy happy perpendicular and upright tail. he also has bladder and bowel control is eating well BUT a very naughty boy-cries like a baby when left even for a moment-yes yes, we dont give in to his pleas of carry me-i am lonely and need you eyes. yesterday i got him a new set of medicines dolocarp-1/2 tab, 2ce a day vetridisc-1 tab a day glyflex-1/2 tab a day. i have also got him an old playpen from a friend which i can keep in the living room since getting the crate up and down is a task in itself as the crate is heavy-the playpen is very sturdy and firm and i think it will help contain him in one place yet let hm be a part of activities without exerting himself. have to tell you that he must be getting better, because after all these days, today poppy wanted to play with him and we had a hard time explaining to her that rinku is still not well enough to play with her-LOL she is so cute. just hoping he recovers quickly so as to be able to get his thing done without assistance-its so hard for us to see him struggle to get moving and then be curbed, poor baby. rest-hoping to be able to keep giving yoy good news linda
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