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Post by Olivia on Apr 12, 2013 9:03:35 GMT -7
Hi my name is Olivia
I have a dachshund/beagle mix named Rocco. On Monday morning he started showing signs of distress and could not climb our 3 back stairs. I took him to the vet who suspected it might be a back injury. She took blood work gave me muscle relaxers and pain killers that Monday morning which I immediately started him on. By Tuesday his condition was worse. He was still in a lot of pain and was having trouble walking. I took him back to the vet and she took an x-ray and told me there was a compression in a couple of discs in the middle of his spine. She gave him a steroid shot and said to keep him quiet for the next week. On Wednesday my dog's feet were buckling under. He could still wag his tail. Our vet recommended we take the x-ray and his blood work to a hospital to have them examine Rocco and review the x-rays. They recommended immediate surgery and told us it would cost between $6,000 to $8,000 dollars. This was not an option for us. Today is Friday and he looks bad. He hasn't wagged his tail. He is throwing up, has bloody diarrhea is still in pain and has not peed since Thursday morning. He also doesn't seem to be able to move his legs. Although at three this morning I carried him out and used a harness on his back legs for him to potty and he seemed to try and squat.
Since Tuesday I have kept him in a crate and he has only been out to potty and vet visits. I did this because I found your site. I told my husband I suspected that he had IVDD. Does it get worse before it gets better?
He currently is on prednisone, tramadol, robaxin and pepcid. We are thinking of doing the operation because we found a surgeon who will do it for nearly half the price of what we were quoted.
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Post by PaulaM on Apr 12, 2013 9:59:41 GMT -7
Olivia, welcome to Dodgerslist. I'm sorry Rocco is having troubles. The good news is you are reading as besides the 100% STRICT crate rest 24/7 only out at potty times for 8 weeks reading is the best defense against IVDD. Know all your options about surgery including that a surgeon who is board certified (ACVIM neurology) or ACVS (otho) is your best bet to know as a lay person the vet has the qualifications for this most delicate of surgeries. This is a must read: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/healingsurgery.htmFirst things you need to deal with right away for the life safety of Rocco: 1. Throwing up and diaraeah are due to prednisone and possibly close use of another anti-inflammatory. What was the name of the pain killers given on Monday? Waste no time, phone into the vet and let them know of the diarreah and vomit and do not take no for an answer.... Rocco needs a 2nd stomach protector PRONTO in addition to the Pepcid AC! Quickly read about sucralfate that it works differently than Pepcid Ac to bandaid the damaged areas of the stomach lining. www.marvistavet.com/html/sucralfate.html2. His pain is not being adequately control. Pain control is not a one size fits all deal. It takes communication and working as a team with your vet with feedback on your observations. If Tramadol is not being given at least every 8 hours that could be one adjustment as Tramadol has a short half life of 1.7 hours. Another option to get pain under control is adding in gabapentin with the tramadol and robaxin. Vets are finding very good pain control success with this 3 way combo. If you find urine leaks in his bedding or leaks on you when lifted, he likely has lost bladder control and needs to have manual expression of the bladder. Let us know the names of all his meds, the dose in mg, how often you actually give them and the range prescribed. Hang in there. I know this is overwhelming, but know you can do your readings, become a confident member of his health care team.... IVDD demands this of all owners. Have you started your readings here: www.dodgerslist.com/healingindex.htm
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Post by Olivia on Apr 12, 2013 10:30:00 GMT -7
The pain killer he was given on Monday was Tramadol. We have been giving it to him every 8 hours. I spoke to my husband who is caring for him today. He said that he seems not to be in pain this morning but he still cries when lifted to go out for potty breaks.
His medication consists of Tramadol 25 mg every 8 hours Prednisone 5 mg every 12 hours Robaxin 250 mg every 12 hours Pepcid 5 mg every 12 hours
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Post by Pauliana on Apr 12, 2013 11:38:49 GMT -7
Welcome Olivia! How to lift and carry: Please make sure Rocco's back is straight when he is picked up. Hope this helps keep him pain free when picked up. His medications can still be adjusted to make sure he is pain free from dose to dose. Your Vet still has options he can add in such as Gabapentin, which incidently makes the Tramadol even more effective as Paula mentioned above. Also tell your vet to add in Sucralfate to heal his tummy. Vomit and bloody diarrhea is a sign of a life threatening bleeding ulcer.. Have your vet show you and your husband how to express Rocco's bladder. He will need to be expressed every 3 hours due to increased thirst on the Prednisone. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/Expressing.htmYou and your husband are a team of advocates to make sure Rocco gets the right care. Gone are the days of not questioning your Vet. With IVDD we just have to know what is right and wrong for our dogs. Keep on reading and learning all you can on our website.. Here's a video that shows what is happening with Rocco.
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Post by PaulaM on Apr 12, 2013 11:53:04 GMT -7
Olivia, please do confirm for us if Rocco has bladder control. Can he still sniff an old pee spot in the grass and then release urine. If his is leaking on you when lifted you will need to get a lesson on expressing the bladder. The link Pauliana gave is good to review ahead of time so you get more out of the lesson. Let us know about the bladder control.
Crying when moving such as lifing means not all the pain is being address. Do call and discuss adding in gabapentin.
Let us know you have sucralfate on board. What does Rooco weigh? Depending on the weight there may also be an option for your vet to increase Tramadol's dose.
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Post by Olivia on Apr 12, 2013 13:20:56 GMT -7
I don't think he has bladder control but it is hard for me to tell. He whined yesterday when he had to go so I picked him up and he peed a bunch. I don't think he has peed since. My husband is on the way to the vet with him so that they can show him how to express Rocco's bladder and to pick up the sucralfate and discuss adding the gabapentin. Rocco weighs 13 pounds. The doc says she thinks we should take Rocco off the prednisone for a day or two. It just seems like the nightmare is getting worse. Every time we take him to the vet he seems to get worse.
Thank you Paula and Pauliana
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Post by Deborah & Angel on Apr 12, 2013 13:40:32 GMT -7
Hang in there Olivia, I know how frantic you are right now, but you are in the best place you can be. Read, read, and then read some more. We are here to support you in any way we can. I would of lost my mind a week ago, if it weren't for this site. If you think I'm kidding, read over MY posts. It DOES get better, and you CAN do this. You need to be strong for Rocco, he needs you now..Much love and many hugs and prayers going out to you and your FurBaby..
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Post by Olivia on Apr 12, 2013 16:02:33 GMT -7
Thank you djaustin. Update: my husband took him to the vet and they showed him how to express Rocco's bladder. She evaluated Rocco again and said he still has movement in his back legs. She said that he has not gotten any worse since she saw him on Wednesday. My question is will he get any better?
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Post by PaulaM on Apr 12, 2013 16:28:59 GMT -7
Olivia I see you have not yet been able to read all about each of the phases of healing. Do check out the page on " Nerve regeneration" and the one about " Future Expectations" this will help to explain much... Here is the link: www.dodgerslist.com/healingindex.htmCan you update us on what the medications are now, dose in mg, frequency. Is his pain under control now? While Prednisone is in his system, you will likely need to express his bladder every 2-3 hours so that he stays dry and his bladder does not overflow. We look forward to hearing the details.
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Post by Olivia on Apr 13, 2013 18:58:42 GMT -7
We decided to hospitalize Rocco for the next few days to get the bloody diaharrea under control but also to continue with the steroid treatment while they treat his stomach for any ulcers. He is now on dexamethasone. Today the vet said Rocco has some movement in his leg but he's not giving us a ton of hope about Rocco walking again.
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Post by PaulaM on Apr 13, 2013 20:55:51 GMT -7
Were you not able to get sulcralfate on board yesterday? I'm worried for Rocco because he has bloody diarahea and yet your vet is going to one of the strongest of steroids well known for causing GI tract problems in the medical community. What exactly is being done for Rocco's stomach, that is something you should know and ask about in detail.
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Post by Olivia on Apr 14, 2013 18:13:28 GMT -7
No blood and no diaherrea yesterday and today. Yes they are giving him the sulcralfate since Friday 4/12. The doctor is dissapointed with his progress after two days of round the clock strong steroids. However Rocco can push his hind legs and I believe that is some progress. I have come to terms with the fact he could be paralyzed but I plan on giving him the best chances as possible to have a great life. Once he comes home tomorrow will I be able to start massaging his legs? Thank you so much for all of your help.
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Post by PaulaM on Apr 15, 2013 7:53:30 GMT -7
Olivia, immediate neuro improvement may or may not come during the 8 weeks of crate rest… as nerves may take more than 8 weeks to heal. The important thing is t hat Rocco be out of pain. We are at a disadvantage to comment without having a full picture painted by you of Rocco's situation. Can you help us out? What is Rocco pain status? Is pain fully under control dose to dose of the pain meds? If not do discuss adding in Gabpentin with your vet. The very, very lightest least aggressive range of motion and leg massage is necessary for paralyzed legs during conservative treatment. The information highlighted in PINK pertains to a dog who can't walk. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/massagepassiveexercises.htm
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Post by Olivia on Apr 16, 2013 19:08:23 GMT -7
Thankfully Rocco's pain is under control. We picked him up from the hospital last night. He can move both of his legs and he wags his tail. He can poop and pee on his own but does not have control of the timing. No bloody stool! He has been under strict crate rest and thankfully has been very cooperative.
Right now he is taking 0.5 mg of Dexamethasone once daily for the next five days. Then every other day for the next five days. Tramadol 25 mg every 6-8 hours. Robaxin 125 mg every 12 hours. Sucralfate 0.5 g every 12 hours.
Thank you for all of your help thus far. This site has been a tremendous educational tool and support system. I have seen three different vets during this traumatic experience and not one has stressed the importance of crate rest. Thankfully though we found a vet who was not afraid to give my baby a chance with more aggressive steroid treatment while also preventing any bloody stool.
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Post by PaulaM on Apr 16, 2013 19:42:25 GMT -7
Olivia, I am so happy Rocco is back at home and I know you are happy too! And great news his pain is controlled.
It would be important to determine if Rocco does have bladder control. Did the vet say he did? The only way for us humans to know if there is bladder control is with the sniff and pee test. Carry outdoors, set on an old pee spot to sniff it. See if urine is then released. Make sure the sling or your hands are not on the tummy area as that can press on the bladder. If urine comes out bladder control is returning. You should do a quick express check to verify there is full voiding until you are certain it is consistently happening. Let us know what you observe.
If he leaks on you or you are finding urine leaks in his bedding that is a sign of not have full return of bladder control yet. While on Dex you may have to express his bladder every 2-3 hours to keep him dry.
It looks like from this point on since he can wag his tail and can move his legs, he can be a good candidate to recover especially so since you have educated yourself on just how critical 100% STRICT crate rest 24/7 only out at potty times for 8 weeks is.
We look forward to hearing more from you as Rocco's progresses through the next weeks.
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Post by Olivia on May 2, 2013 11:03:15 GMT -7
After 2 sessions of acupuncture Rocco is walking. He is still under strict crate rest but we let him walk a few steps during his potty breaks. He is no longer in pain and we have been weaning him off of all his medication. He is so happy but gets very restless in his crate. He hates it. For everyone out there that can't afford surgery there is hope. What I did was immediately crate Rocco on the first day he showed signs of a back injury. Two days after we took him to a neurologist because Rocco's condition kept getting worse. By this time he was unable to wag his tail, could not walk and did not have control of control of his bladder. They said he needed surgery immediately and if not he would never walk. A $6- 8 thousand dollar surgery was not an alternative. They sent us home with prednisone and pain medication. We called around and was able to get him to a vet that hospitalized him and gave him strong doses of dethamexasone for three days. Rocco still could not walk at this point but was showing signs of deep pain sensation. We took him home to strict crate rest and medication. A week later I came home for lunch and found Rocco in his crate in a lot of pain and breathing fast. I took him back to the vet and they gave him a shot of pain medication. The vet suggested I try acupuncture. I took Rocco the next day and on his first round the pain subsided and on his second round he was able to walk. He is not a 100% but hopefully with 4 more weeks of crate rest and acupuncture he will be back to his old self. But the best part he is not in pain anymore. Now we just have to retrain him not to jump on furniture and to use ramps. Thanks for all your support dodgerslist!
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Post by Deborah & Angel on May 2, 2013 16:18:24 GMT -7
GREAT news Olivia..Keep up the good work, many (((hugs))) and continued prayers for you and Rocco..
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Post by StevieLuv on May 2, 2013 17:04:50 GMT -7
Great update!
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Post by Pauliana on May 2, 2013 18:18:44 GMT -7
Fabulous news about Rocco! Acupuncture can work wonders!! Please keep us posted~
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Post by Nancy & Polly on May 2, 2013 22:03:44 GMT -7
That is so good to hear!
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