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Post by Suz & Little Joe on Jul 26, 2014 10:15:05 GMT -7
My name is Suz, and 8 days ago, one of my 7 yo miniature schnauzers, Little Joe (female, 8 kgs [17.6 lbs], spayed) went from having a normal, active day to being in tremendous pain with both back legs suddenly paralyzed (it was worse on the left side).
She was as active as ever that morning, however, I did notice that she was holding her head up in an unusual way for her. I noticed it two different times, but she otherwise seemed fine. (Before last Friday, I had no knowledge whatsoever of IVDD -- there was never any hint that Little Joe was anything but extremely healthy. I've learned a lot over the past week, but there's still so much that I don't know.)
On Friday, she came to find us right away at about 8:45 am, when her back legs stopped working -- in fact, I witnessed her rapid decline from wobbly to full on paralyzed. (Terrifying. I first thought she'd had a stroke.)
My husband Ed and I rushed her to the vet who correctly diagnosed her situation and sent us to a neurosurgeon who was about a mile away. We live in Sarasota, FL, where there is a veterinary practice specializing in the exact type of surgery that LJ needed.
We got there FAST.
Little Joe went directly from an MRI and into surgery ("standard left side T13-L1 hemilaminectomy") in just a few hours time.
(By 10:30 am, while at the surgeon's, she'd already lost the ability to feel deep pain on her left side, and surgery was the only option.) She was given a 75-80% chance at full recovery.
Sadly, after the doc opened her up, her chances dropped to 70% (which is still better than nothing!). He reported that the herniated disc had done a huge amount of damage to LJ's spinal cord. It blew out a vein, and that the hemorrhaging created additional nearly fatal swelling on her spinal cord. There wasn't a lot of disc matter to clean up, but the bleeding was stopped.
So that was our week-ago-Friday.
Yes, it is IVDD, but the rest of her spine looks very good. No other trouble spots.
She came home on Sunday, but went back to the vet's M- F (but home each night) for hyperbaric oxygen treatments, with the hope that this will help further bring down the swelling and give her the best possible chance. (We're going to continue with those next week, too.)
Little Joe is currently in post-op recovery, and although she's regained deep (and even some moderate) pain in both her right rear leg, and in her tail (yay!), she still has zero deep pain in her left rear leg.
So, currently, she cannot walk or wag her tail, and the only pain seems to be from the surgery. Although early on she continued to hold up her head in that same odd way I'd witness that Friday. (We increased her pain meds upon noting that.)
She came home from her surgery with a urinary catheter in place -- the vet wants her to keep it in at least until her sutures come out. (He expects her recovery will take longer than most, due to the severity of her spinal injury.)
Her front legs work just fine, but she's having trouble getting traction to shift herself in her pen.
Considering the seriousness of her IVDD event, we will be overjoyed if she gets mobility back in just one rear leg.
She was a very active and independent dog, and is sad and confused by her inability to move. (We're also looking for advice as to how to help her adjust.) We also have another schnauzer, Dexter (male, slightly bigger, neutered), who was LJ's litter mate. He is upset and confused, too.
Little Joe is eating with her usual gusto, although we've made a point to reduce her regular food by a small amount since she is slightly prone to gaining weight when she doesn't get regular exercise.
She is drinking like crazy because of the prednisone. Her urine has gone through a variety of shades and colors, and she's had some unexplained bleeding from her vulva (she was spayed at 6 mos) that totally freaks us out, but the vet seems unconcerned.
Her bowel movements seem okay -- she was constipated for several days after the surgery. We could use some tips on how to regain normalcy (or at least the new normalcy) with that.
Her meds:
Clavamox (antibiotic) 125 mg 2x day Tramadol (for pain) 25 mg (as needed -- started every 8 hrs, then 12, now 1x day) Prednisone (anti-inflammatory) 5 mg (We are currently tapering off, 1x day for 5 days) Famotidine (Pepcid) 5 mg 2x day metoclopramide 2.5 mg 2x day lactulose (stool softener) 4 - 6 ml every six hours (tapering off as stool becomes softer)
Our doctor is optimistic about Little Joe's ability to regain mobility in her right rear leg, and in her tail. He believes she will have full control of her bodily functions, too. But he described the injury to her spinal cord as being similar to a "gunshot wound."
Other things to know about Little Joe:
She's very sweet and very smart, but she goes red/hot zone really fast. She's terrified of strange dogs, so we've always taken precautions to keep her from going into that noisy, excited place. It's even more important that we do this now, when she needs to not jerk herself around. So taking her out for a "walk" (or a carry, just to breathe the air and figure out a way to poop that's NOT in the pen…) is fraught with peril.
Both Ed and I are self-employed writers, we work at home, and our schedules are very flexible, so that's great. But it's been challenging to care for Dexter at the same time. We'd had a whole routine, and a set of commands/cues/repeated language that Little Joe still wants to respond to. (For example, when Dex needs to go out, she gets very anxious, because he and Ed are leaving the house WITHOUT HER!!!! I've been sitting with her, distracting her with food. (We've been carefully leaving out bits of her meals, so I can do this without increasing the amount she eats each day.)
Another thing -- Little Joe was/is extremely well trained to sit if she wants ANYthing. (She's supposed to sit to say hello, too.) Attention, a treat, to play, to go for a walk. If you don't notice her sitting there, she stands up and sits again. And again. Until you see her. It's kind of insanely adorable. Right now, she wants to not feel the way she's feeling -- she wants to be able to walk again. And she keeps trying to sit up in her pen -- as if, maybe if she does that, if she's very, very good, we'll give that to her. (It's killing me.)
Slippery feet question: Any ideas of what we can use to cover the foam pad, so that her front paws don't slip on it? (I've covered the pad with trash bags, and then a waterproof mattress pad, too. We've tried a fleece blanket, and then a towel, but she just keeps slipping.) Booties don't seem like a good match for Little Joe, unless there's something out there that isn't too confining…?
Glad to have found this forum. Looking forward to encouragement and advice!
-- Suz, Ed, Little Joe and Dexter
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Post by PaulaM on Jul 26, 2014 11:09:07 GMT -7
Suz, welcome to Dodgerslist we are glad you found us! So the blood was NOT in the urine but at the vulva. Blood in the urine would be a concern that a UTI has started. Do read over manual expressing. It is not invasive and subject to scaring. It allows a test for bladder control return. Not many surgeons send a dog home with a catheter unless there is some unusual reason such as the dog being too overweight to feel the bladder or the bladder just can't be expressed. Here's the page to watch a video and read the tips for expressing for poop as well as the bladder: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/Expressing.htmWhat where the surgeon's directives for PT at home and for crate rest? Are you tucking in a fleece bottom sheet tightly around the mattress/trashbag combo? Do you have the trash bag fairly snug around the mattress and sealed with duct tape or the like? There shouldn't be that much slipping going on. Do you have a memory foam or egg crate mattress? I wouldn't use booties while she is in the recovery suite, agreed. Do you have a pet stroller to keep Little Joe with you as you move about the house. You can take her out on the deck when you sit there or right by your side at the office desk. When Dex goes outside, just wheel Little Joe ahead of time to another part of the home. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/strollers.htm A lot of dogs like being up high in the stroller to see all what is going on in the home.
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Post by Suz & Little Joe on Jul 27, 2014 8:20:58 GMT -7
Hi, Paula!
Thanks -- the dog stroller is a good idea. We don't have one, though. Is there a brand or type you would recommend? (Oh, I just saw you included a link -- I'll check that out.)
Today, Little Joe woke up with even a little more of her old self showing -- which is both good and bad! She's clearly frustrated by the confinement.
PT at home is currently limited to massage and stretching, along with some very carefully monitored exercises like bounces.
As for expressing urine vs catheter bag -- I do believe the vet told us why he recommended the catheter, but he told us this while we were in some serious shock, and I'm afraid I don't remember what he said. We'll be speaking to him on Monday, and will ask that question again. As I said, we are in a very unfamiliar land, where everything is new. We're fast learners, but our focus has been all over the place.
Apologies for not being clear about the question of feet slipping. Little Joe's struggling to get traction on ANY surface. The foam pad is covered tightly by trash bags, and it's not the covering that's slipping over that -- it's her feet against whatever we put beneath her. She slips on fleece, so we tried a terry cloth towel, but she slips on that, too. (She desperately wants to sit up, and keeps scuttling about to do so) We had some success yesterday evening by using a large dog bed (flat, with a padded edge), so she can press her front paws against the padded edge to sit up without slipping.
I could use a few good success stories (or links to them!) to bolster my confidence!
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Post by PaulaM on Jul 27, 2014 8:46:55 GMT -7
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Post by Jen & Maggie on Jul 28, 2014 5:14:22 GMT -7
Suz, My day has officially been made and it's not even 9 a.m! I must tell you first that my mom, an avid reader, is such a fan of your work. In fact, she has been keeping me posted on Little Joe's progress after I had an experience with IVDD with one of my miniature dachshunds this summer. I signed in to check on the board and lo - here's Little Joe! I'm so happy to hear she is progressing well. Success stories are golden. Jen
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Post by Suz & Little Joe on Jul 28, 2014 7:19:14 GMT -7
Thanks for easy access to those links, Paula.
And hi, Jen! (Say hi to your mom for me, too!)
Yesterday's big event happened when LJ was sound asleep. She had a doggy-running dream and her front paws started twitching like crazy, and then, suddenly, her back right leg twitched, too. She's got muscle tone back there -- a little tone on her left side, too. So we are hopeful. (Although our (my) moods swing about like crazy!)
We're using a four panel plastic pen with a door, placed atop a king mattress that we moved from our guest room onto our LR floor. inside the pen is a flat dog bed with a bolster, and we've created yet another bolster with rolled up fleece blankets, around the entire inner panels of the pen to decrease the amount of room she has in there, and to provide a pillow for her head, if she wants it. I've put another fleece blanket up along the back wall of the pen for a little "dark and cozy" feeling. After a lot of tries, I think we've got it right.
The mattress is firm enough so that she's not jostled when one of us sits beside the pen.
Ed's been sleeping out there with Little Joe -- and Dexter, too. LJ's safely in the pen, but she's right next to both Ed and Dex. It's been a logistical puzzle, trying figure out how to deal with two dogs who've never been apart for more than a few hours/days in their entire 7 years of life. Obviously, Dex can't be in with LJ, but this way they can both comfortably be nose-to-nose on either side of the pen.
Today's question:
Little Joe sits and lies with her paralyzed back legs beneath her in what looks like a very uncomfortable, unnatural angle. Schnauzers are notorious for having bad hips, so I'm worried about future problems -- should we attempt to place her legs in a more natural position?
Thanks, Suz
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Post by PaulaM on Jul 28, 2014 8:53:34 GMT -7
Suz, LOVE your creativity in finding a good solution for LJ's safety and giving every one else in the family the ability to be close to her! Good job! Sounds like the dream (head level) was able to send a message down the spinal cord to the back legs. As you read in the link about nerve regeneration the nerves usually come back in the reverse order of damage. While you can't do the sniff and pee test because of the catheter, have you tried doing some happy talk, showing her a treat (both head level hearing and seeing) and the observing for a happy tail wag today? 1. Deep Pain Sensation (Only correctly identified by a specialist.) 2. Tail wagging with joy at seeing you, getting a treat or due to your happy talk. 3. Bladder and bowel control proved by passing the "sniff and pee" test. Take your dog out to an old pee spot in the grass. Let him sniff and then observe for release of urine. 4. Leg movement, and then ability to move up into a standing position, and then wobbly walking. 5. Being able to walk with more steadiness and properly placed paws. 6. Ability to walk unassisted and perhaps even run. Her back legs due to nerve damage can not hold the correct position at this time if you place them correctly with a normal bend at the joints. Are you saying the legs are straight out like the paralyzed dog in this photo? www.dodgerslist.com/literature/healing/legparalysis.jpgI would just check from time to time that her legs are not askew with her body weight cutting off blood supply. You may need to shift her hips to the side some so the legs are free of her body when she is lying down. I hope you are keeping mental notes and taking some photos with LJ's journey including that king size mattress arrangement. There IS definitely going to be a bright outcome, so get ready to assemble LJ's inspiring story for the Dodgers Digest as our "Bright Outcomes" feature. More about how the Digest helps to educate about disc disease: www.dodgerslist.com/newsletter.htm
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