karin
New Member
Posts: 40 
|
Post by karin on Jun 30, 2014 12:10:24 GMT -7
Hi Paula and Lisa,
Michael continues to do well since his crate rest last summer for the herniated disc in his lower back. And of course you remember I let you all know last January, that he was diagnosed with CHD...and he is on all the meds for that, and is doing pretty good. Grateful that I still have him. Maybe he will be a super dog and live another year or two...Dr. said he had about 6 months, and that was 6 months ago..
My question for you today is this: Since Michael is nearly 17 yrs. old, and has 3 episodes with herniations and leg paralysis...Do you think it is okay to skip his rabbi shot this summer? I recall reading on here or on a related link that in some cases ...dogs with disc disease opt out of rabbi shots, because it is believed that the shot does something to their discs.
If that is true, what do I need to present to the city to get the shot waived? I believe I have to present it to the city to prove he had a shot is that correct?
Thanks so much,
Karin Michels
|
|
Marjorie
Moderator~ 
Member since 2011. Surgery & Conservative
Posts: 5,724
|
Post by Marjorie on Jun 30, 2014 17:07:10 GMT -7
Every state is different, Karen. I know here in NJ, you can get an exemption from your vet, which the state will accept. Rabies shots are only supposed to be given to a healthy dog. However, my vet wouldn't give me an exemption for my Jeremy's IVDD. You should check with your state to see if they accept an exemption from your vet and see if your vet will give it.
You'll need to get up to speed on the new standards for shots if you've not read them yet so you can advocate for your dog. Discuss the real risk of getting any of those diseases where you live and the lifestyle of your dog with the vet rather than just going ahead and getting the vaccination.
As an FYI in general vaccines are NOT to be given in the scruff area. They are to be given as low in a limb as possible. This is to allow for amputation if a VAS (vaccine-associated sarcoma) occurs.
The new 2011 AAHA (Amercian Animal Hospital Association) Vaccination Protocol
Dr. Becker says: The absolute highlight is that all core vaccines with the exception of the 1-year rabies are now recommended at 3-year or greater intervals.
Even more exciting is the task force has acknowledged that in the case of the non-rabies core vaccines, immunity lasts at least 5 years for distemper and parvo, and at least 7 years for adenovirus. My protocol at Natural Pet is a first round of the 3 cores before 12 weeks of age, usually around 9 to 10 weeks. Then I boost between 15 and 16 weeks. Then I titer 2 weeks after the second round to see if the animal has been immunized and not just vaccinated.
My rabies protocol mirrors Dr. Schultz's, except I prefer to wait until 6 months of age before giving rabies vaccine.
As for the non-core vaccines, I don't recommend any of them. Visit the following pages for a discussion of:
· Canine flu vaccines
· Bordetella vaccine
· Lyme disease vaccine
· Leptospirosis
Note several non-core vaccines are only available in combination with other vaccines, some of which are core. I recommend you check with your vet to ensure none of the non-core vaccines are being piggy-backed on core vaccines your pet receives. Most traditional vets do not carry single vaccines, so ask to see the vaccine vial before assuming your pet is only receiving one agent at a time.
full article from: healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/10/27/new-canine-vaccination-guidelines.aspx
|
|
karin
New Member
Posts: 40
|
Post by karin on Jul 4, 2014 20:42:11 GMT -7
Thanks Marjorie - But I recall an article...I just browsed all the articles that dodgerslist provides and can't find one about the rabbi shot, and how it affects IVDD...something about a component in the rabbi shot affects the material in the disc. But I googled and found that CA did finally make an exemption if a Vet provides documentation asking for it. do you know of an article about the rabbi shot having a chemical in it that is bad for IVDD dog's discs? I tried to find it, and tried googling for it..but no luck..  I would like to show it to my Vet. Also, I read here www.dogs4dogs.com/truth4dogs.html (also a great website)...just as you said about the shot should not be given in the scruff, but in a limb as low as possible in case amputation is necessary...but she says, " I asked vaccination expert Dr. Jean Dodds on what part of the dog she, as a rabies vaccine expert, prefers the shot to be given. She wrote: "There's no standard, but most of us prefer the hind leg muscle mass in the gluteal area." What is the gluteal area, nearest the rectum...that would mean high on the thigh? Thanks so much! btw- Happy 4th! Karin ps. I found the information that CA does allow exemptions since 2011..http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/vet/docs/2013_Rabies_Vx_Exemptions_info.pdf not sure it will help me since your state allowed exemptions, but your vet wouldn't give it to you...did you show them an article why the rabbi shot is bad for an IVDD dog? And..do you think that a dog with a prognosis of less than 6 months due to Congestive Heart Disease, and is on 3 medications, would be at risk too, and that my dog should be exempt for that reason? |
|
karin
New Member
Posts: 40
|
Post by karin on Jul 6, 2014 21:54:24 GMT -7
Hi - Does anyone know where I can obtain the article that mentions that Rabbi shots have something in them that harms dogs with IVDD...that it affects the material inside the discs.
I recall reading that last summer..I thought I was directed to it by some articles that Paula suggested.
Thanks so much,
Karin Michels
|
|
PaulaM
Moderator. 
Member since 2007: surgery, conservative . Montana, USA
Posts: 19,611
|
Post by PaulaM on Jul 7, 2014 10:23:03 GMT -7
"There is no shortage of research on humans that directly links the rabies vaccine to the de-myelination of the central nervous system. Much of this comes from India, where rabies is common and large numbers of people are vaccinated after being bitten by animals. Many subsequently develop a plethora of neurological and autoimmune problems ranging from acute de-myelination disorders to Multiple Sclerosis type symptoms and so on." shapingchaos.wordpress.com/2008/02/22/rear-end-paralysis/Citations resources: www.whale.to/vaccines/rabies1.html |
|
karin
New Member
Posts: 40
|
Post by karin on Jul 7, 2014 15:14:10 GMT -7
Thank you Paula,
Do you know of anyone that ever got an exemption from a rabbi shot because the dog had IVDD?
Sincerely,
Karin and Michael
|
|
karin
New Member
Posts: 40
|
Post by karin on Jul 8, 2014 19:24:11 GMT -7
Sorry for the repeat...just hoping to know before I ask my Vet on Friday - I printed the form that states what the Vet is supposed to do to fill out the exemption form...he is supposed to have it in his file.. Thank you Paula, Do you know of anyone that ever got an exemption from a rabbi shot because the dog had IVDD? Sincerely, Karin and Michael Read more: dodgerslist.boards.net/thread/1878/ques-re-rabbies-shot-michael#ixzz36vyVc300 |
|
PaulaM
Moderator.
Member since 2007: surgery, conservative . Montana, USA
Posts: 19,611
|
Post by PaulaM on Jul 9, 2014 14:08:24 GMT -7
Sorry do not have any info on exemptions.
|
|
karin
New Member
Posts: 40
|
Post by karin on Jul 20, 2014 9:12:32 GMT -7
Hi Everyone, The County of L.A. denied the rabbi exemption request that my Vet put in. I even included the printout from the link that mentions that the rabbi shot causes demylination of the SC...and they answered that there is no scientific evidence that it does that. so, we are stuck having to get the shot. Karin and Michael |
|
Marjorie
Moderator~
Member since 2011. Surgery & Conservative
Posts: 5,724
|
Post by Marjorie on Jul 20, 2014 13:19:55 GMT -7
I've looked into this a little further myself, Karin, and learned that NJ (or at least Monmouth County) also does not take exemptions (I had thought they would). My vet wouldn't give me one anyway. It's very hard taking your dog in for something you feel may be harmful to him but being compelled to by law. They tried to give my Jeremy his rabies shot in his front thigh but I insisted they give it in one of his back legs as I was also concerned about a carcinoma developing from the shot (since I did have a cat need his front leg amputated due to bone cancer developing from a vaccine injection). Jeremy's hind legs aren't stable enough for him to lose a front leg! I would have thought that Michael could have gotten an exemption due to the congestive heart failure, if not the IVDD. Sorry to hear your efforts didn't work out as to the exemption.
|
|
karin
New Member
Posts: 40
|
Post by karin on Jul 27, 2014 18:37:58 GMT -7
Thanks for the reply Marjorie and everyone that did.
Glad you knew well enough to insist they give the shot in the back leg.
The vet that was visiting the Pet Store..that offered the rabbi shot for only $5...was very nice.
When I had to list the medications he is on for the CHD...she said, that the shot might cause some stress with all the medications...great...why can't the county animal dept realize that?
Anyway...it's been a week, and so far he is fine...praying he will not get any more herniated discs.
Karin and Michael
|
|
