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Post by Aaron & Noodles on May 31, 2014 10:44:41 GMT -7
I have 4.5 year 13 lb mini dashound . 2 weeks ago came crying to me . 2 days later she couldnt walk .She still had deep pain and could wag her tail . It's been 10 days of crate rest and she has regain some movment of her legs . I don't carry her because I think it hurts her . I just let her out rite in front of cage and let her go on a towel . She is on.
meticam 0.375ml and tramadol 20 mg 4x a day and 500mg meticarbol divided in 3 or 4 times a day . Now As well a laxative laxADay and pepcid ac .
Is it ok for her to take a few steep on her own. Should I be giving vitamine e and beta carotene ? She only pee once a day and half . and poop ever other 2 days or longer . She seem like she knows she has to go by wineing. . Some time I think she geting worse but I know this will take time 8 weeks . Any aditional advice would help , I love noodles and I could not afford the 10thousand for surgery here in Vancouver Canada .?
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Hi my 13.5lb dashound noodles is in crate rest ,the vet says she 99%ivdd but I think it's a compressed disk . I could not aford the 1500$ for MRI. is it ok for her to walk out in a space 2x her crate to go potty she's in a 30 x18 crate but I let her slowly walk out because I find I hurt her no matter how carfull I pick her up. she goes in and out some times with out going . She was paralyzed in the back legs but had deep pain and could wag her tail . Now she can sort of stand a micro walk . I also made a small pen out side for her . I try the sling but she won't move in it . She can go on her own . But not oftten.. can just let her . She's in 20mg tramadol 3x and 500mg metocabanol and meticam 0.375ml . I give her pepcid ac now from reading forums . I'm afraid the mini walk might be bad , but must be similar to most potty breaks . I feed her boiled chicken and broth
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Post by Marjorie on May 31, 2014 19:07:02 GMT -7
Welcome to Dodgerslist. My name's Marjorie - what's yours? Please let your dog know with your utmost confidence that things are going to be ok…because they will. With this disease self education is critical not just so you make sure the right things are being done for the best recovery but for your own emotions. The unknown is simply a scary place. Get ready to fight this disease now and in the future by knowing all things IVDD. There is no better place to start than on our main web page with "Overview: the essentials" and then read all you can as soon as possible. Here's the link www.dodgerslist.com/healingindex.htm100% STRICT crate rest 24/7 only out to potty for a full 8 weeks is the SINGLE most important thing you can do to help your dog-- it is the hallmark component of conservative treatment. Carried in and out to potty. No laps, no couch, no sleeping in bed with you, no meandering, scooting or dragging around during potty times. No baths, no chiro (aka VOM). In other words do everything you can to limit the vertebrae in the back from moving and putting pressure on the bad disc. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/CrateRRP.htmCan you give us a bit more in essential information about your dog: 1. Is there still currently pain? Signs of pain are holding the head in an unusual position, head held high or nose to the ground, shivering/trembling, not wanting to move much or moving gingerly, yelping, tight/tense stomach muscles, arched back, holding leg up flamingo style, not wanting to bear weight on the leg, just not their usual perky-interested-in-life self. 2. You mentioned 500 mg of Meticarbol. Did you mean Methocarbamol? 3. What dosage of Pepcid AC are you giving? Glad to see that on board, by the way, to protect from the side effects of the Metacam. Dodgerslist recommends giving 5 mg of Pepcid AC 30 minutes before the dose of the anti-inflammatory and thereafter every 12 hours. 4. Can Noodles sniff and squat and then release urine or do you find wet bedding or leaks on you when lifted up? Are you expressing her bladder? 5. Eating and drinking OK? 6. Poops OK - normal color, firmness, no dark or bright red blood? She should definitely be peeing more often. If she is drinking normally and only peeing once in a day and a half, you should immediately let your vet know about this. Please give us more information about how much she's drinking and whether she's urinating on her own, expressing, etc. If she is willing to urinate on a towel outside of the door of her crate, that's fine. The less movement she makes, the better. She can take a few steps to do her potty but as I said, if she's willing to just step out of the crate onto a towel and do her business there, that's great. Why do you feel it hurts her to pick her up? Does she tighten her belly when you pick her up, stiffen up or yelp or act more uncomfortable? If so, then her pain meds are not right. There should be no sign of pain between one dose of pain meds to the next. She should be able to be picked up without pain. The vet has room to move up on the dosage of the Tramadol. Also Gabapentin can be added - that works very well with Tramadol. Please contact your vet ASAP and advise him if you think she's still in pain so her pain meds can be adjusted. Have no patience with pain - pain hinders healing. Pumpkin can help firm up stools OR it can help to loosen stools. The amount of water in the diet makes all the difference. To loosen the stool, add equal parts water to each kibble meal along with a teaspoon of plain canned pureed pumpkin 1x a day. To firm up the stool, add 1 teaspoon pumpkin to kibble and no extra water 1x a day. Note alternatives for constipation: really ripe mashed fresh pear, just take off the peel; microwaved and mashed peeled sweet potato. As for supplements, here's our information on that: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/Supplements.htm The very, very lightest least aggressive range of motion and leg massage is necessary for paralyzed legs during conservative treatment once off all meds and there is no pain. The information highlighted in PINK pertains to a dog who can't walk but only after all meds are stopped and there is no pain. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/massagepassiveexercises.htmLaser light therapy, acupuncture and electroacupuncture which sends a microcurrent of electricity to and from acupuncture points (which are really big nerve bundles), can be very beneficial at helping to re-establish the nerve connections in the body. Any one of these therapies can be started right away if in your budget... they not only help relieve pain and inflammation but will kick start nerves to begin regeneration. NOTE: Chiropractic is not recommended for IVDD dogs. Please don't despair. IVDD is not a death sentence. Many dogs regain use of their legs and even if they don't, their lives can be happy ones. www.dodgerslist.com/index/SDUNCANquality.htmWe're here for you and Noodles. Once we have more information, we'll be better able to offer you support. Healing prayers for Noodles.
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Post by Aaron & Noodles on May 31, 2014 19:49:00 GMT -7
Thank you my names aaron . Sorry for my spelling I'm dysesic . Noodles does not appear to be in a lot of pain with her tramadol dose . She would clinch up if I picked her up no yelping . She would take one super big pee . I Preaty sure she has control but waits till it super full, she would sort of squat and raise her tail. And wagg her tail in delight after going . One day she went twice in a day when I gave her 2 big bowls of chicken soup . I been kinda restricting food and broth . She only seems to cry when she needs to go . Can I just keep her in the crate and clean up after her . She has shown improvement wich I am so gratefull for . I really don't whant her to relapse but letting her stand on her own . My vet tryed to express noodle the first visit with no success . She gone on her own since no drips . Poops were small and hard at first ,last 2 were 2 larg normal poops buts days apart . My question is she alowed to walk In a small confined space outdoor or just crate 24/7 .
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Post by Pauliana on May 31, 2014 20:23:23 GMT -7
Hi Aaron, welcome to Dodgerslist. Glad you are here with us.. First is is not a good idea to restrict food. Noodles needs a balanced and nutritious dog food to get the nutrients she needs to help her heal. She shouldn't change her regular diet during a disc episode so whatever dog food you were feeding her prior to the disc episode should be what you are feeding her now. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/nutritionhealing.htmHere is how to lift and carry Noodle: She should be carried to her potty spot, allowed a very few footsteps to get the job done and then carry back to the crate. Going on the towel is a good option if that works for you and Noodle. A laxative usually causes cramps which is bad for a dog with a disc episode. It is better to use the pumpkin as Marjorie mentioned in her post. Healing thoughts and prayers..
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Post by Marjorie on Jun 1, 2014 6:31:32 GMT -7
Clinching up when you pick her up sounds like pain to me, Aaron. The goal is to mask the pain completely so she can be picked up without pain and can rest comfortably in her crate as her spine heals. Not appearing to be in a "lot of pain" isn't good enough. If she appears to be feeling pain when picked up, you need to speak to her vet about adjusting her pain meds as I had mentioned. Dogs can be very good at hiding pain so when you do see a sign of pain, such as tensing up when picked up, that needs to be addressed with the vet.
She might be holding her urine because it's painful for her to move. Try picking her up today in the manner that Pauliana described and see if she tightens or tenses up at all. If she does, please let her vet know and ask that her pain meds be adjusted. Your voice is the only voice that Noodles has and the vet needs feedback as to how the meds are doing.
Blessings to you both. Please let us know what you observe as to pain today.
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Post by Aaron & Noodles on Jun 1, 2014 17:02:37 GMT -7
To be honest I haven't picked her up since she been in the crate . I carry her in the crate out side the crate only has 2. Side doors , witch make it Dificult to lift her . She did take a large pee again today in the crate but walked out and began to clean herself . I'm not sure if she rapidly developed an automatic blader. She crys like she has to go but I have to leave her alone for a minuit or two befor she goes, gun shy? Every time... coincidence or control? Does she have control ? I've seen her squat and raise tail the one time I've walked in on her going . She's been moving around on hind legs in the crate to turn around and nest . She seems to be getting better but I'm still scared , she's not drinking alot of water at all I have to make a chicken and water mix to get The water in her . And not pooping often enuff to confirm no bad stool , I'm almost thinking of stoping the meticam or is it safe at low dose with 5mg Pepcid x2 day even if there was an ulser. Noodles wagged her tail alot today . The vet is closed on Sunday but I'll go tommarow and demand more pain meds .
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Post by PaulaM on Jun 2, 2014 10:02:13 GMT -7
Aaron, what kind of food does she eat... canned food which has a high water content and might be the reason she does not need to drink more. Or if feeding dry kibble, soak each mean in equal parts of water or broth overnight in the fridge. Then leave a bowl of water in the crate so she can then drinks as she likes. Do not force/encourage her to drink a lot of liquids. She should not be urinating in her crate. Do you lift and carry her out to the potty spot every 4-6 hours to see if she needs to go? There are no safe medicines. Only those used safely by the vet and an owner who takes time to read up on each med the dog takes. Here is how Metacam, the anti-inflammatory works. Normally when the vet guesses swelling might be gone there will be a stop of anti-inflammatory and pain meds. Usually the first course of anti-inflammatory will be 5 or 7 days and then a test stop. Your job at home would be to assess just how well reduction of swelling is going by observing for any hint of pain (shivering, trembling, yelping when picked up or moved, reluctant/slow to move head or body, tight hard tummy, holding leg flamingo style not wanting to bear weight). To have a clear picture on a stop, pain meds are also stopped or backed off too. Rule of thumb is: pain = swelling = more time on non-steroid anti-inflammatory (NSAID), pain meds and Pepcid AC needed. If you are seeing signs of pain such as yelping, tensing up, not wanting to move much, then it would not be time to go off Metacam as there is still swelling to address. And of course pain meds (tramadol and Methocarbamol) would need to be on board. Let us know what your vet says today, (Monday). As you have likely read in this excellent pamphlet on Metacam (NSAIDs) not eating, not drinking is something to tell your vet about at once. This is good information to know about when your dog is taking a NSAID and well worth reading a 2nd time: www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/ResourcesforYou/AnimalHealthLiteracy/ucm196295.htm
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Post by Aaron & Noodles on Jun 2, 2014 16:54:14 GMT -7
She did clinch up and Whent back in her crate when I tryed. To pick her up , my vet would not increase her med or add any . Time for a new vet . I'll have her in for a check tommarow and hope they will agree . I leave her in the yard in a tiny pen with her crate she lots of time to go but goes only when the bladder is full. I fear Automatic blader . I wish you could up load pictures in posts . She can slow walk in and out of her crate 2 hours later: yeah! So glad I drove noodles to one of her pee spots down the block . She sniffed and peed . She does have blader control . 30 hours she held it in . And giveing 70 mg tramdol today ramped in up one 10 mg pill every 1 1/2. I guess I'll be driving there 2- 3 times a day now . Still no poop . I'm so happy compared to when my first vet visit were she had me leaveing in tears . When do u think a vet enema is necicary ? it's been 4-5 days no poop she's been geting the one table spoon Of pumpkin dry and wet food and plain chicken broth . And lots of chicken skin.. One way to get pill In
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Post by Pauliana on Jun 2, 2014 22:21:21 GMT -7
Hi Aaron!
An enema is NOT a good idea for a dog with a disc episode. It would make his back move too much and cause too much pain.
It isn't unusual for a dog to be constipated on pain medications. My Tyler didn't go for the first 5 days of his disc episode. He went finally on the 6th day and then after that he was regular. Did you add equal parts water to the meal along with the Pumpkin? The amount of water in the diet makes all the difference. To loosen the stool, add equal parts water to each kibble meal along with a teaspoon of plain canned pureed pumpkin 1x a day..
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Post by PaulaM on Jun 3, 2014 8:22:58 GMT -7
Aaron it looks like Noodle's med list has been changed? Please correct it if this list is wrong: 13 lb metacam 0.375ml tramadol 20 mg 4x a day 6/2: 70 mg tramdol today ramped in up one 10 mg pill every 1 1/2. 500mg meticarbol divided in 3 or 4 times a day laxADay pepcid ac .
The questions I have about the above list 1. How many mg for each dose of Tramadol are you actually giving? How often are you giving...is it every one and one half hour????
2. Are you giving Pepcid AC 5mg 2x a day?
3. Have you stopped using LaxAday? Are you now using 1 teaspoon of plain pureed canned pumpkin OR really ripe mashed fresh pear, just take off the peel off OR microwaved and mashed peeled sweet potoato? The amount of water in the diet makes all the difference. To loosen the stool, add equal parts water/broth to each kibble meal plus one teaspoon 1x/day of plain canned pureed pumpkin (or the alternates listed above).
I would refrain from using high fatty things such as chicken skin unless that is the only way to get her to take pills. Fatty foods can cause loose stools. Then we don't know if diarrhea is a serious problem from Metacam or a temporary problem from high fat int he diet.
Just so we are on the same page about walking around at potty time. Give her at max several minutes to be inspired to pee... not really "alot of time" to walk about in the tiny pen in the yard. If she is not inspired pick her up and try again in an hour or so. The key with conservative treatment is to limit walking... just a very, very few footsteps to poop or pee and then carried back to the recovery suite.
Is her pain being fully controlled with tramadol? Not really sure how much tramadol you are giving til you correct the above list, but ...... Often using two or more different pain meds together means you might be able to use less of tramadol, the med that IS constipating. So discuss about using Gabapentin and/or methocarbamol with the tramadol to give full pain masking.
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Post by Aaron & Noodles on Jun 3, 2014 23:43:39 GMT -7
i saw the vet for check Up . She is on pumpkin . Passed a good stool . Pees more often . On wet food . Lowering tram dose and adding diazepam 2.5mg tramadol dose was 80mg a day. 20 x4 She will only take a pill with skin or cheese.. what's the lesser evil ? Vet say the PEG is a safe enuff stool softener I have just watch out for too much sedation .
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Post by Marjorie on Jun 4, 2014 4:54:24 GMT -7
Hi, Aaron. Could you just clarify what the dosage now is for the Tramadol and how often given? Is her pain completely under control now? Also, why was the diazepam added? Did you speak to the vet about adding Pepcid AC to protect Noodles' GI tract while on Metacam?
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Post by Aaron & Noodles on Jun 4, 2014 10:08:08 GMT -7
Noodles get 13 lb Tramadol 20mg every six hours for a total 80mg in 24h . Pepcid ac 5 mg x 2 a day 4-5 days ago' diazapan 2.5mg metacam 0.375ml [500mg meticarbol divided in 3 or 4 times a day]
On that day it was 2 pills 6h apart and 2 1 and 1/2 10mg pill 6 hours apart for a total of 70 mg in 24 hours . Sorry I'm dyslexic I re read what write didn't make any sence . Noodles didn't appear to be in pain according to the vet. And is responding to pinch test in her toes . Its possible the tramadol is the reason she been constipated . With the choice of adding gapentin or diazapan . the vet thought diazapan would have less side effects and help her just relax every thing . And I think it worked 2 hours after the diazapan she Eat more than she has normaly , and whent pee and poop in the yard. She was sleeping on her back this morning in her old cute way . Yes I spoke to the vet about the Pepcid ac 5 mg x 2 a day 4-5 days ago and that's what she gets. I hope today goes as well as yesturday
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Post by Jean & Mimi on Jun 4, 2014 11:52:08 GMT -7
Aaron, sounds like she is feeling well and is pain free. Sleeping on her back is a good sign that she is not in any pain. You are doing a great job advocating for her. Keep up the great work!
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Post by Aaron & Noodles on Jun 11, 2014 20:36:32 GMT -7
so today was the 3 week mark of Strict crate rest .. Noodles is out wonky walking and peeing and back in her crate in usualy under a minuite .2 -3 times a day. Lowerd the tramadol dose stopped the meticam yesturday after asking my vet .
and she seemed the same today, not in pain and way more wines to get out and when on painkillers wags her tail .
I gave her a meticam dose today just incase and stop it again tommarow. She does arch her back a lot wile pooping witch i feer could be bad but she doest seem worst from it. Fairly good balance.. left side is worse than right . She was trying to srach her self with her right leg today .I hope she keeps geting better but it fear every day that I'll wake up and she won't be able to move , that Possible but very unlikely right? , her prognosis is good from this point ? As long as its strict rest 5 more weeks I'll might go 9 weeks rest to be safe
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Post by StevieLuv on Jun 12, 2014 6:32:17 GMT -7
Noodles is making great progress - tail wagging and bladder control and sleeping on her back and wobbly walking and trying to use her back feet to scratch. It isn't unususal to find one side more affected than the other, and there is no time table for healing. The nerves heal, very slowly, but they do heal. The purpose of crate rest is to let good scar tissue form around the injured area - and after crate rest is over then the physio exercises can start that help her regain even more function. You have done an excellent job of advocating for Noodles, keep up the good work!
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Post by Aaron & Noodles on Jun 18, 2014 12:17:37 GMT -7
Week 4 update . Not much has changed, she can wobbly walk but only is out for less than 2 mins at a time. I wonder if i should let her have more time to walk , some new vets think they should be have minor walks as soon as able..,ill wait 8 weeks . I'm sure she is getting better because she seems fine on less meds . Noodles 13.40 lbs mini Tram at 20 mg every 12 hours . Next Will lower it to 10 mg every 12 hours 2.5 mg dysapan evey 8-12 hours 120mg robaxin 8-12 hours at this point I think I'm just giveing her doses just for sedation to keep her calm, should I just stop all meds?
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Post by PaulaM on Jun 18, 2014 12:27:06 GMT -7
You know Aaron, most vets do stop the pain meds when the anti-inflammatory (Metacam) is stopped. Pain meds mask pain and you don't yet have a clear picture if all the painful swelling in the spinal cord has now been resolved. Diazepam could be used as a calmer if you feel she is not able to relax in her crate. Glad to hear you understand well that the 8 weeks of crate rest is to allow the disc to form good secure scar tissue. AFter crate rest is over then it will be safe for the disc to begin a slow introduction back to physical activity. Here is a sample schedule to give yourself and advance look: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/AfterCrateRest.htm
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Post by Aaron & Noodles on Jun 23, 2014 12:59:44 GMT -7
Noodles woke up earlyer today wineing . I let her out she peed and then vomited and then had direah with no blood . She was still geting melixocam . But I was stoping , she just had half dose yesturday and none today . I called the vet about added stumach protection , she still get her 5mg pepcid ac. Im worried . they haven't got back to me yet . Just one vomit , how fast can there turn into perferated intestine. Should I give her a extra dose of Pepcid ac . She was wagging her tail do much yesturday and now today for first time refused chicken , befor the vomit . She did drink And eat a tiny bit after. . Ok the vet just got back to me I'm geting 30ml oral suspention of the other drug .Said she should be ok if she dosent keep vomiting and no blood .
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Post by PaulaM on Jun 23, 2014 15:37:08 GMT -7
Is the other stomach protector sucralfate or Now that you have stopped Meloxicam and have two protectors on board, she should be ok. Meloixam like all other non-steroid anti-inflammatories, NSAIDs, do not require tapering. It is steroids that must be tapered for health reasons.
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Post by Aaron & Noodles on Jun 23, 2014 17:14:33 GMT -7
Yeah sorry sulcrate 2.5 ml 3x a day .
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Post by Sabrina on Jun 23, 2014 18:45:10 GMT -7
Hi Aaron! So glad to hear that the Sucralfate is on board! "Sucralfate is a sucrose aluminum hydroxide compound that forms a gel-like webbing over ulcerated or eroded tissues, thus serving as a sort of a bandage. It is effective in the upper GI tract: stomach, duodenum (upper small intestine), and esophagus." www.dodgerslist.com/literature/drugs.htm#intestinaldrugs"Sucralfate not only “bandages” the ulcer but accumulates healing tissue factors in its bandage; it not only protects the ulcer but actively assists in the healing process... " www.marvistavet.com/html/body_sucralfate.htmlDid your vet give you instructions about when to give the Sucralfate? It's best to give it on an empty stomach, and 30 minutes before the Pepcid AC. ))Hugs!((
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Post by Aaron & Noodles on Jun 29, 2014 0:29:00 GMT -7
So update at 6 weeks from trama and 5-1/2 weeks of crate rest noddles is walking!. Just at potty times of course . The stomach thing I hope was a false alarm from a few raspberries and the vomit was from a blade of grass. She's had 3 solid stools and been off meloxicam for 6 days . So is it ok now to stop the Pepcid and sulcrate? I haven't been able to do a complete stop on tramdol but she is down to 20mg a day and still a precautionary 125 metcabinol and 5mg dysapam . She seems well , get tail wags , puppy kisses. she will use her back leg to scratch her self under chest realy hard witch she could never reach before-Kinda weird but good . I want to stop all meds but they say don't just suddenly stop tramadol or dysapam and she get bolth. Just plan on lowering them at a slow steady pace
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Post by PaulaM on Jun 29, 2014 11:41:22 GMT -7
Wonderful on the ability to now walk!!! Since now off of the GI Tract irritating Meloxicam, seems like you can stop the Pepcid AC as well as sucralfate.
You will not have a clear picture on the pain issue till you have fully stopped the pain meds. Pain meds would mask painful swelling in the spinal cord. So we look forward to hearing that she is off all meds and you still do not see any signs of pain.
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Post by Aaron & Noodles on Jul 1, 2014 21:12:43 GMT -7
Noodles has been off all meds for 24 hours and there have been no signs of pain
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Post by Jean & Mimi on Jul 2, 2014 5:21:31 GMT -7
That's great news Aaron! Keep an eye out for any signs of pain, but sounds like things are going well. Fingers crossed for continued success
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Post by Aaron & Noodles on Jul 5, 2014 10:45:26 GMT -7
Ok so every thing has been going great 5 days no meds . No signs of pain. Yestuday she was sleeping on her back again. But this morning she was up early am , It was dark I could here her tail wagging hitting the wire crate . I told her to go back to bed and could hear she was moving around nesting and then gave out a small half yelp. Im going watching her close for any signs of pain. She still eat fine this moring and is sleeping now and not showing any sign of pain , but haven't herd any yelp type sound in weeks. Not sure if I should give her meloxicam just in case for 4 days and still have a week with no meds befor graduation day .
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Post by PaulaM on Jul 5, 2014 14:28:54 GMT -7
The is anticipatory pain. Observe if there are the usual more than one signs of pain to confirm real pain. Often with pain you see more than one of these signs: shivering, trembling, yelping when picked up or moved, reluctant to move much or slow to move, tight tense tummy, head held high or nose to the ground, not normal perky self. Let us know what you observe. Any diminishment of neuro functions?
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Post by Aaron & Noodles on Jul 5, 2014 14:43:28 GMT -7
there is no other signs of pain. Just one sudden abrupt yelp . She was back to waging her tail again and being her normal self. But the yelp scared me . Last time the was a yelp was the event.
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Post by Aaron & Noodles on Jul 8, 2014 10:52:56 GMT -7
My girl noodles has gone a week off all meds and is in good spirit . 7 weeks STRICT crate rest complete 1 more week to go . They say after crate rest they should always be crated from now on? What if there was no couch or chairs to jump up on ? She can't ever sleep with me on my bed anymore? , I willing to live on the floor and have my bed just the mattress on the ground .
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