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Daniel's Griz 4/26 conservative NECK May 7, 2014 17:42:52 GMT -7

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Post by Daniel & Griz on May 7, 2014 17:42:52 GMT -7

I have a dachshund 16 days into 2 neck episode in a year . Treating with Tramadol and Duramax, and crate rest . Symptoms got worse today. He lost the ability to stand a walk . I am going to try steroids Tomorrow. is there information about expressing on this web site ? How long Should The dog go between bowel and bladder movements so I know when there is a problem Thanks Daniel

Last Edit: May 8, 2014 6:14:28 GMT -7 by PaulaM

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Daniel's Griz 4/26 conservative NECK May 7, 2014 19:20:14 GMT -7

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Post by Pauliana on May 7, 2014 19:20:14 GMT -7

Hi Welcome to Dodgerslist Daniel!

Please be aware since your dog is on Deramaxx which is a NSAID, there needs to be a 4-7 day washout before switching to a Steroid. Since your dog has lost the ability to walk which is an emergency, a quick switch can be made as long as stomach and GI tract protectors are given.. Pepcid AC and Sucralfate, each works a different way to protect the stomach from the damage NSAIDS and Steroids can cause.. Steroids and NSAIDS should never be given together..http://www.dodgerslist.com/literature/healingsweling.htm

Does your Vet know that your dog has lost the ability to walk? They need to know right away..

Here is a link to our information about expressing bladder and bowel, every 3 to 4 hours for urine or if on Prednisone every 2 to 3 hours because of increased thirst. All the info you need is right here but don't be afraid to go back to the clinic for lessons until you get the hang of it. It takes practice.. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/Expressing.htm

With this disease self education is critical not just so you make sure the right things are being done for the best recovery but for your own emotions. The unknown is simply a scary place. Get ready to fight this disease now and in the future by knowing all things IVDD. There is no better place to start than on our main web page with "Overview: the essentials" and then read all you can as soon as possible. Are you ready? Here's the link www.dodgerslist.com/healingindex.htm

In order to help you, please answer these questions for us.

►What is your dog's name? Did you specifically get a diagnosis of IVDD, aka: a disc problem, a disc herniation, a bulging disc, slipped disc?

► What was the date you saw the vet and started the all important 100% STRICT crate rest 24/7 only out to potty for this current disc episode? …. STRICT means No laps, no couch, no sleeping in bed with you, no meandering, scooting or dragging around during potty times. No baths, no chiro (aka VOM)?

► Is there still currently pain - shivering, trembling, yelping when picked up or moved, reluctant to move much or slow to move, tight tense tummy?

► How much does your dog weigh? List the exact names of meds currently given, their doses in mg's and times per day given? What was the start dose if a steroid, date of taper?

Please include the all important stomach protector such as Pepcid AC. Phrase the question to your vet this particular way:" Is there a medical/health reason for my dog not take Pepcid?" If there is no reason, we follow vets who are proactive in stomach protection by giving doxies 5mg Pepcid (famotidine) 30 minutes before the anti-inflammatory.

► Can your dog specifically sniff and squat and then release urine or do you find wet bedding or leaks on you when lifted up?

► Eating and drinking OK? Poops OK - normal firmness & color -no dark or bright red blood?

► If there is pain or neuro diminishment, dogs can benefit greatly with acupuncture or laser light therapy. These therapies can be be started right away to help relieve pain and to also to kick start energy production in nerve cells to sprout. So if this therapy is in your budget, seek out a holistic vet.
ahvma.org/Widgets/FindVet.html
www.serenityvetacupuncture.com/index.php/faq_/ [one vet's overview/prices] Chiropractic is not recommended for IVDD dogs.

Healing thoughts across the miles!

Last Edit: May 7, 2014 19:23:21 GMT -7 by Pauliana

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Daniel's Griz 4/26 conservative NECK May 8, 2014 5:59:10 GMT -7

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Post by Daniel & Griz on May 8, 2014 5:59:10 GMT -7

Griz is 7 years old. he weights 13 lbs. It has been 30 days since the first signs. The initial signs were simple pain. We saw our vet and started Tramadol 12.5 mg per 8 hrs and Methocarbonal 100mg randomly. Griz seemed to improve over the next 2 weeks. I thought it was at first a minor episode. I had an x ray taken at the onset of this episode , the read indicated a tight margin in his neck area.

@ 2 weeks ago he seemed to be recovering very well was outside and let out a loud bark. It appeared he was walking hunched and I detected a small abnormality in his gait. I gave he some Tramadol And Held him on the floor till the pain presentation receded and then went to sleep.

I found this site the next day and began crate rest. I went back to the vet and started
13 lbs
duramax 6 mg ( 1/4 tablet),per day The last dose of dura max was 20 hrs ago.
Pepcid 5 mg per day.

He was showing what estimate as 10 to 15 % impairment in his rear leg function , no consistent knuckling but and instance here and there. his walk was perceived to be moderately wobbly. For the majority of the day Griz did not seem to be in pain or discomfort.

Yesterday His ability to walk rapidly declined he can not walk but can remain upright if I stabilize him. He seems to have problems with bladder and bowel. He went pee in the morning and then at 5pm a minimal amount while I held him. He has not had a bowel movement in 30 to 35 hours. He does not seem to be in pain or discomfort. I take Griz with me at all times, and constantly attend and monitor him. He does at times seem reluctant to move out of his cage for potty breaks. He has not been drinking an what I perceive a normal amount of water, but For two weeks I have changed food from dry to a soft moist canned food. I am going to the vet at 8 am this morning.

I don't have the $3000.00 another local vet (not board certified surgeon) wanted for surgery. I am very fearful and upset.

Thank you for your help, Daniel

Last Edit: May 8, 2014 6:17:58 GMT -7 by PaulaM

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Daniel's Griz 4/26 conservative NECK May 8, 2014 6:32:04 GMT -7

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Post by PaulaM on May 8, 2014 6:32:04 GMT -7

Daniel, with the intended switch from the NSAID Deramaxx to a steroid their will not have been a 4-7 day washout. There will be in effect double jeopardy of GI tract problems when an emergency switch is deemed. Make sure Griz is double protected with not just Pepcid AC but a 2nd called sucralfate. Do your reading not only to be able to advocate but to understand the timing of this med with food, with Pepcid AC: www.marvistavet.com/html/sucralfate.html

The change to a food with more moisture can be the reason for less drinking as water intake is a combo of what is lapped up and what liquid is in food.

Never give up, stay focused, stay postitive and stay strong! You and Grix will get through this bump in the road of life. The most important things you can do for him besides 100% STRICT crate rest 24/7 only out at potty times for 8 weeks is be educated on meds, the right care, when each of the 4 phases of healing will happen. All this is to protect Griz and to help your mind stay out of the scary place of the unknown. This page will give you a quick overview of conservative treatment and our hope is in the next couple of days you will have followed all the links to become the savvy IVDD dog owner Griz needs you to be. Here's the link: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/healingpage.htm

Reluctance to move pain is because the med that gets painful swelling was stopped and there were no pain meds on board to help Griz bridge the switch. Pain just can't ever be allowed when there are pain meds to provide comfort. Pain deters healing and once is surfaces it can take much longer to get back in control. Either class of anti-inflammatory will take 7-30 days to get all the swelling down. Thus the reason for pain meds to be on board so that Griz never suffers. REading on pain meds so you can advocate for them to be on board with this morning's visit: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/healingpain.htm

Hope to hear good news that pain meds will now be on board and if there was a switch without a washout, the two GI tract protectors (Pepcid AC and Sucralfate) are on board.

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Disclaimer:
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Daniel's Griz 4/26 conservative NECK

Post by Daniel & Griz on May 7, 2014 17:42:52 GMT -7

Post by Pauliana on May 7, 2014 19:20:14 GMT -7

Post by Daniel & Griz on May 8, 2014 5:59:10 GMT -7

Post by PaulaM on May 8, 2014 6:32:04 GMT -7