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Post by Jennifer on Mar 24, 2013 13:09:35 GMT -7
Bentley
Mini Dachshund
diagnosed with calcified discs, not being able to use his hind legs at all
Went to vet on 3/22/2013 starting crate rest as soon as i got him home 3/24/2013
very little pain, only trembles when I cry, moves head normally...seems maybe a bit dazed from medicine. tummy seems normal.
medicines are prednisone 5mg give 1/2 tablet every 12 hours for 3 days, then give 1/2 tablet daily for 3 days then give half tablet every other dayuntil gone. Methocarbamol 500 mg give 1/4 tablet by mouth 2-3 times daily as needed for muscle relaxation.
He does not walk at all. slight movement in rear legs at times. and he can wag his tail.
I have not found wet bedding as of yet, the vet left instructions and showed me how to express his bladded to be done 2-3 times daily.
eating and drinking normally
have not seen him poop yet, vet said it was normal yesterday.
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Post by PaulaM on Mar 24, 2013 15:03:08 GMT -7
Jennifer, welcome to Dodgerslist! Give Bentley a kiss and reassure him everything is going to be alright... because it will be. The next 8 weeks in his recovery suite is going to be the single most important part of the care you will be giving him. Just so we are on the same page...that means 100% STRICT crate rest 24/7 only out to potty …. No laps, no couch, no sleeping in bed with you, no meandering, scooting or dragging around during potty times. No baths, no chiro (aka VOM). In other words do everything you can to limit the vertebrae in the back from moving and putting pressure on the bad disc. The crate is the only surface that is firm, supportive for the spine, not inclining, always horizontal and keeps a dog from darting off at a TV doorbell and safe from other pets and kids from bothering them. The rest of the details of doing crate rest to ensure the best recovery in this excellent document: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/CrateRRP.htm The purpose of crate rest is to act as a cast of sorts to let the disc heal… only limited movement of STRICT crate rest allows that to happen…there are no meds to heal a disc. Immediate neuro improvement may or may not come during the 8 weeks of crate rest… as nerves may take more than 8 weeks to heal. Your vet has been light on pain medications. So if there is no pain showing through at all, then the pain meds are right for Bentley. If there is pain, you need to tell the vet so the meds can be adjusted. What date will the Pred go to a taper down? The taper is the time to be very observant for any hint of pain. pain-- Is there still currently pain - shivering, trembling, yelping when picked up or moved, reluctant/slow to move head or body, tight hard tummy, holding leg flamingo style not wanting to bear weight? Often it takes being at the anti-inflamamtory dose of prednisone (5mg 2x/day) for 1-2 weeks or even for some dogs more like a month before all the swelling is gone. On the taper the dose is lowered to less than the anti-flammatory dose and that is the time to assess just how well reduction of swelling is going by observing for pain. Your vet has called for a short 3 day course of Pred at the anti-inflammatory dose. The very, very lightest least aggressive range of motion and leg massage is necessary for paralyzed legs during conservative treatment. The information highlighted in PINK pertains to a dog who can't walk like Bentley. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/massagepassiveexercises.htmLaser light therapy, acupuncture and electroacupuncture which sends a microcurrent of electricity to and from acupuncture points (which are really big nerve bundles), can be very beneficial at helping to re-establish the nerve connections in the body. Any one of these therapies can be started right away if in your budget... they not only help relieve pain and inflammation but will kick start nerves to begin regeneration. Find a holistic vet here: ahvma.org/Widgets/FindVet.htmlwww.serenityvetacupuncture.com/index.php/faq_/ [one vet's overview/prices] As damage to the spinal cord increases, there is a predictable stepwise deterioration of functions . When nerve healing begins, often it follows the reverse order. 1. Pain caused by the tearing disc & inflammation in the spinal cord 2. Wobbly walking, legs cross 3. Nails scuffing floor 4. Paws knuckle 5. Legs do not work (paralysis, dog is down) 6. Bladder control is lost 7. Tail wagging with joy is lost 8. Deep pain sensation, the last neuro function, a critical indicator for successful surgery. Surgery can still be successful in the window of 12/24 hours after loss of deep pain sensation. Even after that window of time, there can still be a good outcome. Each hour that passes decreases that chance. Precious hours can be lost with a vet that gets DPS wrong. So if surgery is an option for our famiily get to a neuro or ortho asap. www.veterinarypracticenews.com/vet-practice-news-columns/surgical-insights/making-sense-of-the-neuro-exam.aspxwww.veterinarypracticenews.com/vet-practice-news-columns/surgical-insights/making-sense-of-the-neuro-exam.aspxtinyurl.com/4tchc3f [Making Sense of the Neuro Exam] Please do stay in touch with updates on how Bentley is doing.
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Post by Jennifer on Mar 24, 2013 15:55:06 GMT -7
He has lost his bladder control. The times I have taken him to potty his blankets at wet and he pees immediately.
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Post by PaulaM on Mar 24, 2013 16:14:51 GMT -7
Please review the video and tip to help you express the bladder. While on pred he will need to be expressed every 2-3 hours to keep him dry. Start with every two and work hour way to every 3 as you see he is staying dry. Expressing is a new skill you are learning, do not hesitate to go back for another lesson. Express in the clinic and let the vet tech check your work. Let us know how you are doing keeping him dry. The vet needs to know asap on Monday morning about loosing bladder control. How much does Bentley weigh? He may not be on an anti-inflammatory dose at 2.5mg every 12 hours and your vet would want to increase it. As damage to the spinal cord increases, there is a predictable stepwise deterioration of functions. When nerve healing begins, often it follows the reverse order. 1. Pain caused by the tearing disc & inflammation in the spinal cord 2. Wobbly walking, legs cross 3. Nails scuffing floor 4. Paws knuckle 5. Legs do not work (paralysis, dog is down) 6. ---> Bentley Bladder control is lost 7. Tail wagging with joy is lost 8. Deep pain sensation, the last neuro function, a critical indicator for successful surgery. Surgery can still be successful in the window of 12/24 hours after loss of deep pain sensation. Even after that window of time, there can still be a good outcome. Each hour that passes decreases that chance. Precious hours can be lost with a vet that gets DPS wrong. So if surgery is an option for our famiily get to a neuro or ortho asap. www.veterinarypracticenews.com/vet-practice-news-columns/surgical-insights/making-sense-of-the-neuro-exam.aspxwww.veterinarypracticenews.com/vet-practice-news-columns/surgical-insights/making-sense-of-the-neuro-exam.aspxtinyurl.com/4tchc3f [Making Sense of the Neuro Exam]
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Post by Jennifer on Mar 24, 2013 16:17:31 GMT -7
He tapers off his preds starting on 3/27 and will take his last one on 4/2. Will have a visit at the vet on 4/7
He has always slept in a crate at night but absolutely hates being in one during the day.
He weighs 12 pounds
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Post by PaulaM on Mar 24, 2013 16:28:31 GMT -7
Jennifer, if I have read correctly and Bentley has just lost bladder control, this is something your vet needs to have a phone call about 1st Monday morning...do not wait til next vet visit...call him.
When you get a chance please fill us in on these important details:
-- Is surgery an option for your family? -- Do you have in in the crate for his own good? Is he whining or being rambunctious in the crate: -- Is there still currently pain - shivering, trembling, yelping when picked up or moved, reluctant/slow to move head or body, tight hard tummy, holding leg flamingo style not wanting to bear weight?
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Post by Jennifer on Mar 24, 2013 16:38:26 GMT -7
Surgey is unfortunately not an option He is in his crate, just staring at me He is acting his normal self other than not wanting to be in his crate. His tummy is not hard. His legs are still limp and flamingo style so to speak will not use them. He is up an standing on his front two.
Just called the vet. They said to express him more often And how much ever water he drinks to make sure I try to get that much out. That with his meds he's drinking more an enlarging his bladder.
Also said if that's not working to bring him back in, in the morning and they will recheck him.
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Post by Melissa Albright on Mar 25, 2013 5:55:47 GMT -7
Our Sammie went down on the 9th. The first few days were very scary and overwhelming, but we have all gotten used to our new normal. Sammie never spent much time in her crate and slept under my arm since she was 6 weeks old. She has shown signs of improvement over the last few weeks ( she hates when I express her bladder and looks at me like I'm crazy for bothering her). They are such funny little dogs. Hang in there, it does get a bit easier as time goes on. Getting a schedule for potty was the hardest part. She still has accidents here and there, but usually only if we get busy and don't get to her quickly enough. We do lots and lots of laundry!
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Post by PaulaM on Mar 25, 2013 7:54:54 GMT -7
Jennifer, yes as the vet explained more water the need to express more often. While on pred you will need to express every 2-3 hours to keep him dry. Since you are just learning a new skill you may also need an extra lesson. Do not hesitate to go back to your vet....you express him and then have the vet tech check your work and give you extra tips or another lesson... this is how most of us have learned to express. You will learn.
I am happy to hear that Bentley is feeling like his normal self....that would be a sign that he is not in pain. When the taper of of pred starts on 3/27 that would be the time to be particularly observant for any hint of pain again - shivering, trembling, yelping when picked up or moved, reluctant/slow to move head or body, tight hard tummy, holding leg up flamingo style not wanting to bear weight.
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Post by natureluva on Mar 25, 2013 8:00:32 GMT -7
Hi Jennifer, how is Bentley today? Is his pain well-controlled? How are you doing with expressing? Try to express 4 to 6 times a day, more if he still has accidents. You will be able to express less once he is off the steroid. Steroids make him drink and pee more often. Just wanted to let you know that what Bentley is going through is very common. One in four dachshunds has IVDD. Everything he is exhibiting for symptoms is "normal" for the disease. When the spinal cord gets pressure on it from a bulging or herniating disc, the dog loses neurological functions such as bladder control, tail wagging, etc., just as Paula explained. What heals the disc is minimized movement of the spine with 8 weeks of strict crate rest while the meds mask the symptoms and control inflammation on the spine. If when you start to taper the steroid, you notice that Bentley is in pain again, that means the steroid is not done with its job of controlling the inflammation on the spinal cord. If you see pain return, tell your vet and they will likely give a longer course of the steroid. Please hang in there and try to put a smile on your face and in your voice when you are around Bentley. He will feed off of any negative emotions you may have. To give yourself hope, read through our many Success Stories - stories about dogs just like Bentley. This will also give you an idea of how recoveries go: www.dodgerslist.com/monthstory.htmTo keep Bentley entertained, put his crate in whatever room the family is in so that he will feel included. You can also put him in a small ex pen and sit in there with him to pat him while you watch tv. A pet stroller is a HUGE help during and after crate rest, read about them here: dodgerslist.com/literature/strollers.htm As an aside - Bentley is probably the CUTEST doxie I have ever seen. My goodness - cute as a BUTTON!! Please let us know how you're both doing. ~Lisa
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Post by Jennifer on Mar 25, 2013 11:21:19 GMT -7
I brought Bentley to work with me today, he and myself are doing better with his bladder. He is very anxious to get out and roam. Really hates being his crate. He did chew on his bone for a bit which kept him happy for all of 30 minutes. A huge concern is that I cant bring him to work with me everyday that I would like to, and I dont want him to pee on himself and have to wait all day for me to get home. How are people dealing with that? It is just me taking care of him, I live alone.
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Post by PaulaM on Mar 26, 2013 10:23:35 GMT -7
Jennifer, with the taper off of Pred on 3/27 less urine will start to be produced. Once off of Pred, then expressing can go to every 4-6 hours and even perhaps closer to 8 hours. Is there any way to come home for lunch and express? On the day you can't bring him, can you make arrangements for a vet tech to come to your home and express hims. Maybe on that day you could bring him to your vet.
Do be prepared to be particularly observant for any signs of pain on the taper indicating more time on pred would be needed by your vet.
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