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Post by Marjorie on Feb 15, 2014 6:02:42 GMT -7
Oh, Daniel, I wish I could come and pick up Peke and take her to see Dr. Gibson here in NJ! Of course Peke needs to be returned to the anti-inflammatory level of the steroid. There's obviously still pain, which means there's still swelling. Even while on all those pain meds, she's still feeling pain when the steroid is tapered. Even knowing there is still pain, they want to continue the taper? And why do they need to get back to you today when they knew about the pain yesterday??
Do you think this neurologist would be willing to consult with another specialist? I'm sure Dr. Gibson would be willing to consult by telephone, as would Dr. Isaacs, who is the specialist Dodgerslist consults with. Many doctors consult with other doctors when they have a difficult case (which I don't really think Peke's case is - she just hasn't had the right treatment yet). I would be blunt with these doctors. Tell them you're dissatisfied with the treatment Peke is getting, explain about Dodgerslist and ask them to consult with one of the doctors who have been highly recommended to you.
Dr. Isaacs or Dr. Galle, Dogwood Vet Referral Center, Ann Arbor, MI 734-369-9555
Dr. Gibson, Garden State Vets, 1 Pine St., Tinton Falls, NJ 732-922-0011
Yes, Gabapentin can be given every 8 hours. You do need to let the vet know how often it's being given.
Please let us know what the vet says after speaking to them today.
My prayers are with you all. I'm so sorry this is happening again.
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Post by PaulaM on Feb 15, 2014 11:29:56 GMT -7
Daniel, it is certainly VERY clear not all the swelling is gone and thus there IS a need to continue with an anti-inflammatory dose level of Prednisone. Pred 5mgAM/2.5mgPM is not at the anti-inflammatory dose. Remember it can take anywhere from 7-30 days up at the anti-inflammatory dose to get all the swelling down. In effect Predisone at the anti-inflammatory dose has only been in use since Feb 8. 16 pounds Strict crate rest only started 2/4 Pred Courses: Jan 14: 4 day course: 5mg 1xday (PAIN) Jan 21: 7 day course: 5mg 1x day (PAIN) Feb 8: 4 day course 5mg 2x day, 2/11:5mgAM/2.5mgPM (2/14 PAIN) Tramadol 50mg every 8 hours. Methocarbamol 500 mg tab: 250mgs every 8 hours. Gabapentin 100 mg, every 12 hours. Pepcid AC 5mg 2x a day. Give 30 mins before Pred and give Pred with a meal.Marjorie has made an excellent suggestion for your vet to collaborate/consult with another vet! Any vet you speak with needs to have the information that true conservative treatment was never implemented until Feb 4. So all the doses of Pred prior to that date where in effect wasteful and useless. Now that you are doing 100% STRICT rest 24/7, Peke needs a chance to get the swelling down with prednisone. If a vet will not help you, ask why not! Be blunt/forthright. Are they intimating that it is far better to perhaps suggest killing Peke to put her out of her misery as the only option would be surgery???? There are vets out there that do know IVDD, it may be time to look again for a new vet. Where do you live: city/state? I reread your posts and did not see if surgery at some point would be an option for your family, is it? This page will help you put things into perspective and good background when discussing treatments with vets. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/healingsurgery.htmGABAPENTIN Please discuss with your vet about dividing the 100mg capsule powder into 3 equal parts so that there is more even coverage thoughout the day rather than one single 100mg dose 1x/day. REFERENCE: Oral Bioavailability in humans Gabapentin bioavailability is not dose proportional; i.e., as dose is increased, bioavailability decreases. Bioavailability of Gabapentin is approximately 60%, 47%, 34%, 33%, and 27% following 900, 1200, 2400, 3600, and 4800 mg/day given in 3 divided doses, respectively. www.drugs.com/pro/gabapentin.html
Gabapentin Elimination half-lives range between 2-3 h in rats, 3-4 h in dogs, and 5-6 h in man. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3730018Dump 100mg capsule powder into a creased pieced of paper and with a razor blade move the powder into 3 equal piles. Store the remainder of the powder piles in one of those 7 day pill boxes with a lid for each day. NOTE: both tramadol and gabapentin are very bitter tasting. Make sure you do not transfer any dust from your finger to the outside of the pill treat. I mash a piece of banana, form a ball, make an indentation. Spoon powder dose into well and close up. If necessary drape a piece of thin deli meat around ball for further tastiness!
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Post by Daniel&Peke on Feb 15, 2014 12:32:54 GMT -7
Hey Marjorie, I spoke with the Neurologist today and they sound like they are done helping us. They told me that the doctor said that Peke needs surgery and that this cannot be treated medically. They said I should go back down to 5mg a day, I think they wanted me to contact them because they want her off the steroid. Doesn't make sense to me. If they know we cannot afford surgery, why are we going to get her off the single thing that could help her.
Maybe the doctor is a good doctor and can tell if this type of injury is bad, but without an MRI or even an X-ray... to come to that opinion makes me believe that he wants the money. I was very clear when I said that we are tired of going through tapers ending in pain and that she needs to be on 5mg twice a day for longer as she hasn't shown any signs of pain on that dose. The doctor didn't want to hear any of that or about speaking to any other doctors regarding IVDD. They are set in their ways of doing business I guess.
We are going to go back to the vet my wife used to take Peke to, or maybe find a vet that believes in conservative treatment. Peke has been doing very well that past couple days, it was just that Wednesday night that she moved slowly.
Hey Paula , I think like you said, maybe we should even out the gabapentin dosage throughout the day and the steroid not being at full dose could have been the culprit for that pain. We are in North Phoenix, AZ.
So right now at this point I can go back to First pet emergency vet, but they will want me to get off of the steroid quickly too as they did before. So we are vetless. We will do some calling and researching but in the meantime I don't see any other option but to give her the 5mg twice a day until we find a new vet. When we find one we will go asap.
Also, has any of you heard about Wiggleless back braces? I'm wondering if this could be an option or just more snake oil? Would you guys recommend something like that?
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Post by Sabrina on Feb 15, 2014 21:17:20 GMT -7
Hi Daniel, I am so sorry to hear that the neurologist is not working with you/networking with other vets. You may have already seen this page on the DL main site that has some general strategies for trying to find a good IVDD vet: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/VetchkList.htmAbout back braces: Back Braces for the IVDD dog Orthotics such as a back brace should require an Rx from a board certified neurologist (ACVIM) who is well educated in disc disease. An ill fitting product that is not custom made can do more harm and the Rx would be for a specific reason. Dodgerslist has consulted with several neuro and rehab specialists. The overriding concern is that owners may buy a brace on their own thinking it will be instead of strict crate rest or think it would prevent a future disc problem. During a disc episode these are the concerns: - Getting them on without causing any more pain or damage to the spine is on top of the list. Too much movement to get the brace on is not good for a dog that you are trying to limit movement of the back. - Additional muscle atrophy in the spine is another big concern as muscle strength is very important to maintaining spinal health. - Unnecessary discomfort, pain and anxiety caused by having to wear this device tight enough to limit movement… adequate limited movement is supplied with owner commitment to safe and effective 100% STRICT crate rest 24/7. - Braces would require monitoring for pressure (rub) sores. Also, if not properly fitted (not covering from thoracic down to tail) there is the potential to create a fulcrum. It is hard to immobilize the entire back and not end up creating a fulcrum that stresses out adjacent disks. - A brace would not be a preventative measure. Disc disease is the cause of prematurely aging discs…a disc problem happens at the point the disc has hardened too much. Any activity such as turning to lick a paw or putting on and off a brace could be the last straw for a disc that is no longer flexible. At this time there isn’t enough research on them for Dodgerslist to support their use with an IVDD dog. What we do know is that strict crate rest is what works to heal a disc – it’s proven and crate rest is safe. A Q&A with Dr. Isaacs about back braces: www.dodgerslist.com/neurocorner2/backbraces.htmHang in there! Keep us posted about the vet search, and maybe someone will have a recommendation for you. ))Hugs!((
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Post by Daniel&Peke on Feb 19, 2014 23:45:24 GMT -7
We are losing hope.we went to our appointment with the new vet , she is willing to work with us but most likely she told us conservative treatment doesnt work the only way is surgery. .I am so devastated...she is my baby I love her to dead..ive been crying alot thinking I have to put her down...she has been doing really well lately. .we r going to try to tapet her from the▼ predisone tomorrow if it doesnt work I need to start thinking about the worse...by the way my name is Isela Daniel is my husband...I am so mad we cant afford surgery way to expensive. Thanks for all your help and pray for my peke pls.
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Post by Jean & Mimi on Feb 20, 2014 8:06:49 GMT -7
Isela and Daniel,
Please do not give up hope at this point. Conservative treatment only started for you two weeks ago. If you go back and read my story about Mimi, I felt the same way, hopeless. But I can tell you to keep fighting for Peke and do not give up until you find the right vet to work with you. Peke may very well need to be on the steroid for a longer period of time.
I have three vets in our practice. One was a new vet (about 1 year of full practice) and he wanted Mimi off the steriods asap. So I spoke to another vet at the practice and he worked with us a bit more, then I met with the third vet and she agreed and supported everything I read here and left Mimi on the steroids for longer with success! Mimi was on steriods for a long time and we worked with the vet.
This new vet that you are working with, is she supported of a longer term on the steriods? What is she saying? Do not give up...keep fighting for Peke and find different vets if you need to. Don't give up hope!!!
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Post by PaulaM on Feb 20, 2014 8:14:15 GMT -7
Isela, it is not realistic to loose hope. Remember it is only since Feb 8 that prednisone was first up on the anti-inflammatory level of 5mg x/day has been in use. It can take 7-30+ days on pred to get all the painful swelling down. So the good news is you have a vet willing to work with Peke, willing to help. Kudos to you guys for making that happen!
On the taper you will observe for pain. If there is still painful swelling then you don't think the worse, you call the vet to report any hint of pain (trembling, holding head high or low, tight tense tummy, yelping. Pain shows more time on Pred is needed back up on the anti-inflammatory level.
To have a prompt and more accurate picture on the taper if painful swelling is gone, most vets will also back off or stop the pain masking pain meds. Was that discussed? Was a plan B discussed if pain would occur at night or over the weekend when the vet is closed...do you have permission to go back up to Pred 5mg 2/day + pain meds until you can report your findings when your vet is open again?
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Post by Daniel&Peke on Feb 21, 2014 1:44:22 GMT -7
Hello today peke is looking good we were giving her predisone 5mg tice a day for five days , now she is on predisone 1 pill per day for seven days. Pain is under control but today she started having diarrea and it comes with alittle bit of blood , I called the vet but they havent called me back..hope they do tomorrow but my question is ..should we keep giving her the predisone or we need to stop ?
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Post by Marjorie on Feb 21, 2014 8:49:01 GMT -7
Diarrhea with blood is a red flag sign of GI distress. Have you been giving Peke the Pepcid AC twice a day? Some dogs do fine with just the Pepcid AC while others need more protection. You must immediately speak to either your regular vet or an ER vet and ask that Sucralfate be prescribed. Sucralfate will require timing with other meds…so do your homework so you can discuss things with the vet: www.marvistavet.com/html/sucralfate.html With Sucralfate AND Pepcid AC on board, hopefully the diarrhea will resolve quickly so the Prednisone does not need to be stopped. GI tract problems can worsen quickly so please be insistent on getting through to a vet ASAP. Please let know what the vet says after speaking to them.
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Post by StevieLuv on Feb 21, 2014 11:04:19 GMT -7
Isela and Daniel, I am so sorry that you and Pekenia are going through this. Dealing with IVDD is hard enough and having Vets that need a smack upside the head for not helping you is worse. Don't give up! Get loud! There are alot of success stories right here that show just how wrong they are about surgery being a must do. Including my Stevie who was totally paralysed on her hind end a year ago. We were told that our options were surgery (which "might" work) or euthanasia - I told them to *&*&* and started researching IVDD ( I hadn't found DodgersList yet) Stevie now walks - she is wobbly and has had a couple of mild episodes since then - never totally down again thank goodness. When I was at the specialists for rehab with Stevie I saw that surgeon again and asked why they didn't even mention conservative treatment and she said " I am a surgeon - that is what I do, so don't get mad at me". Keep searching for a Vet that will help you - they work for you, not the other way around. She needs some tummy protector like sucralfate to help her ASAP. Call every vet in the city if you have to- there is a good one out there just waiting. Hugs and prayers to you all.
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Post by Daniel&Peke on Feb 21, 2014 14:43:54 GMT -7
Thanks guys for you support. I called the vet and they say to keep an eye on her to see if she continues bleeding since last night she hasnt poop so I am waiting for her to poop so I can call my vet ..they said if she does, they will give me some medication...I hope she doesnt need it peke is doing great an the last couple days she has so much energy ..I feel like my old peke is coming back.no episodes or signs of pain.
I am back again..well the vet called me back and they gave her sulfacate pills..feel better knowing her stomach will be ok...I am just concern cause she hasnt poop since last night this means she is constipated now?? My girl is looking better ..no signs of pain no yelping ...hope is coming back to me.
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Post by PaulaM on Feb 21, 2014 20:13:27 GMT -7
Did you read over the link Marjorie gave on sucralfate? This stomach protector has a timing to it with food, with pepcid AC www.marvistavet.com/html/sucralfate.htmlBoth Tramadol and sucralfate can cause constipation. The amount of water in the diet makes all the difference when adding extra fiber to the diet. To loosen the stool, add equal parts water to each kibble meal along with a teaspoon of plain canned pureed pumpkin 1x a day. To firm up the stool add 1 teaspoon pumpkin to kibble and no extra water 1x a day. High fiber choices: 1 teaspoon 1x/day of: plain pureed canned pumpkin, really ripe mashed fresh pear, just take off the peel off; microwaved and mashed peeled sweet potato or white potato. Keep us posted on how the taper continues. Are the pain meds also being backed off or stopped so pain is not masked, so there will be a clear picture on the situation with swelling?
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Post by Daniel&Peke on Feb 22, 2014 12:57:48 GMT -7
Peke doing great , no more blood or diarrea..we continue giving her predisone 5 mg once a day, tramadol half a tablet every 8 hours , and 1/4of muscle relaxer every 8 hours, gabapentig 100mg 1 tablet every 12 hours and pepcid 5mg 12 hours..
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Post by Daniel&Peke on Feb 27, 2014 9:40:55 GMT -7
Ok so heres an update. Peke has been doing really well. These have been the best two weeks that she has had. Today we start giving her 2.5 of the ▼steroid once a day in the morning for a week. We are going to get off of the muscle relaxer very soon. We arent sure how slowly to get her off of the pain medication though.
We have really figured out how to make her calm and tweak her meds. She has a lot of energy and barks a lot. No more loose stool or blood. We have been giving her a spoon or two of canned pumpkin everyday. Her poop is a little orange but what can i say about that!
Other than that, we have been a lot less stresse out knowing she doesnt look in pain. The doctor said to keep her on 2.5 of the steroid for a week.
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Post by PaulaM on Feb 27, 2014 14:56:03 GMT -7
Daniel, sounds things are going in a good direction. Fingers are crossed for a good taper. I saw you asked on another post about using herbs. If Peke's taper goes to complete then nothing is needed... no herbs, no drugs. Herbs are not benign, they can also have adverse side effects. Because they are not regulated like drugs, you have to be committed to looking each up and really know what you would be giving a dog.
Instead of every 8 hours for pain meds, try every 12 or try giving a smaller dose in mgs til Peke is off them. Which did your vet suggest to simply stop pain meds or to back off?
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Post by Daniel&Peke on Mar 6, 2014 22:27:32 GMT -7
Hi guys here is an update ..peke is doing awesome no more predisone, yesterday was her last day ..today no signs of pain at all...still giving her Tramadol 25 mg in the morning 12.5 afternoon and 12.5 at night..gabapentin 100 mg every 12 hours..... we have an appointment with her vet this saturday..she is full of energy . This is her 5th week of crate rest....she is so ready to go out and play ..but not letting her at all..I keep my fingers crossed so she can have a full recovery....
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Post by Marjorie on Mar 7, 2014 5:35:49 GMT -7
Hi, Daniel Stopping Prednisone while still on pain meds is not a true test for pain/swelling. The pain meds will mask any pain that Peke may still have. If there is still swelling, there would still be a need for Prednisone. Please speak to the vet today about stopping the pain meds. If Prednisone has done its job and gotten the swelling down, then there will be no need for meds at all. Glad to hear that she's feeling well and full of energy. Kudos to you for committing to the full 8 weeks of crate rest! Please let us know what the vet says after speaking with them.
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Post by Daniel&Peke on Mar 8, 2014 13:21:31 GMT -7
I've got an update. So we went to the vet and they want us to stop the prednisone. This has been the best taper by far and she hasn't shown any signs of pain. We thought that she might be in pain yesterday, we aren't positive. She was holding her head down, but she wasn't yelping or moving extremely slow. She was fine later on in the day and today she has been perfect. I really hope that this can be it. Today was the last of giving her the steroid every other day and completely.
The vet also did a blood test and said her liver results were a little on the high side. They said we can start an Nsaid in about 2 to 4 weeks. The vet said they feel more comfortable when her levels come down. They said it's probably because of the steroid but want to make sure.
They put her on Denamarin for her liver for 30 days. They also said to keep giving her the tramadol and gabapentin if she needs it. Should we still give her the Pepcid?
She really has been doing well, but I was under the impression she would tell me to see how she would do without the pain meds. We have reduced the pain med to a quarter of the pill every eight hours and 1 gabapentin every 12. Peke would have been in a lot of pain with those dosages a month ago but she seems way better. I'll still be nervous until she gets out of the cage and is off all meds.
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Post by PaulaM on Mar 8, 2014 14:27:19 GMT -7
Daniel, before going on an anti-inflammatory in a different class (NSAID), for my peace of mind I'd want to know if all the swelling is really gone. The only way is to go off the pain meds too. If you find she is not in pain, then what is the sense to Rx a NSAID? All Peke would have is all the serious side effects of a NSAID but nothing to benefit from (reduction of swelling). Very good reading on NSAIDs: www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/ResourcesforYou/AnimalHealthLiteracy/ucm196295.htm IF you stop the pain meds and there is pain, you would not be wasting time, you know to get back on an antiinflammatory as soon as it is safe. Vets who practice safe medicine look for a 4-7 days washout from pred <-->NSAID. Let us know if you are seeing any hints of pain at this point in time. Usually to confirm pain you'll see one or more of the signs. (trembling, not normal perky self, moves head stiffly, holds head in unusual position, yelps, doesn't want to move much, tight tense tummy).
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Post by Daniel&Peke on Mar 9, 2014 22:22:48 GMT -7
We decided to stop all the medication to see if peke still have pain.....no signs of pain right now this is the first day...we will see how she does the next days crossing my fingers and praying that everything goes well... just want my peke back the way she was before all this.. (this is Isela)
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Post by Jean & Mimi on Mar 10, 2014 5:34:32 GMT -7
Fingers crossed for continuance of pain free living. Let us know how she does!
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Post by Daniel&Peke on Mar 10, 2014 7:48:50 GMT -7
24 hours pain free with out any medication....I know is to soon but a month ago she even had pain with all the medication ...this is a good sign and gives me hope..on our 5th week of crate rest....
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Post by PaulaM on Mar 10, 2014 9:00:01 GMT -7
Isela, this is a good sign that all the swelling has been resolved now that you've been 24 hours w/o any pain meds. I appears that all that remains is to finish out the rest of the 8 weeks of rest to allow the disc to heal. Do continue keep us updated on Peke. FYI Peke has an appearance in the upcoming issue of Dodgers Digest. www.dodgerslist.com/newsletter.htm
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Post by Daniel&Peke on Mar 11, 2014 16:22:05 GMT -7
It's been 48 hours with no meds and no signs of pain. When she gets excited, she kind of yelps but it could be just in excitement, can't be positive it's in pain or not. It was kind of a quick chirp, but like I said, it could be just in excitement. If she isn't yelping in severe pain like she was 2 months ago then she really must have healed quite a bit. She is turning her head normally and by normal I mean exorcist normal, so that's good. She is barking and shakes off pretty strong.
This makes me think that she just had bad swelling and not necessarily a herniated disc. Maybe just slipped a little. Could that be the case?
Other than that, I really can't believe we are seeing some real progress. We bought the dvd and found it very interesting. We should have bought it first thing.
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Post by Pauliana on Mar 11, 2014 22:00:53 GMT -7
Hi Daniel,
So glad to hear that Peke is pain free! When the swelling goes down there is often a dramatic improvement because the swelling disc has been pushing on the nerves in the spine and now that is relieved! All she needs now is to complete her crate rest to finish forming the secure scar tissue over her disc..
Thanks for a wonderful update!!
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Post by Daniel&Peke on Mar 12, 2014 15:10:04 GMT -7
My wife just confirmed that Peke is still in pain. Peke yelped like she did when we first encountered this problem. She was moving a little slow the past day, but we thought it was her being tired or sore. She barks and moves fine when she is outside, but now this?
We gave her a pain pill for now. She can't go back on the steroid for a month as advised by the Vet to take the liver meds. We are at a complete loss of what to do now. She has been fine for the past 2 days. How can she act normal and then be in pain the next. It certainly isn't like before how she needs a full pill or all four meds. She just needs to get the edge off, but will she need to go back on the steroids after this?
I'm not sure if this anything to do with it but, we noticed Peke kind of gagging a little more than normal. She normally gags after she drinks water, but it was a little more than usual. Last night after i fed her with dry food that I watered down, she choked a little and gagged off and on for about a half hour. This morning, my wife said that Peke threw up. I thought it might be because she swallowed something wrong or the liver med is making her stomach upset. We gave her a pepcid to ease her stomach.
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Post by PaulaM on Mar 12, 2014 16:19:21 GMT -7
Daniel I'm so sorry to hear there is still pain now that there needs to be time off before a NSAID can be started. While the body is washing out and liver repairing, pain meds will have to be aggressive to compensate for not having any anti-inflammatory on board. Please update this previous med list with what is currently given. Let us know that pain is back in control with some adjustments on pain meds. Also expecially continue to do all the extra things do keep the head/neck from moving... even making sure the dry kibble is soaked in equal part water as kibble... storing in the refrigerator. Warm before serving.
16 pounds Strict crate rest only started 2/4 Pred Courses: Jan 14: 4 day course: 5mg 1xday (PAIN) Jan 21: 7 day course: 5mg 1x day (PAIN) Feb 8: 4 day course 5mg 2x day, 2/11:5mgAM/2.5mgPM (2/14 PAIN) Mar 8 off of Pred; Blood test slightly high liver values. Tramadol 50mg tablet: 25 mg 3x/day Methocarbamol 500 mg tab: 250mgs every 8 hours Gabapentin 100 mg, every 12 hours. Pepcid AC 5mg 2x a day. Denamarin for the liver for 30 days
There is a difference between vomit and regurgitation. So be sure to report to your exactly what you observe. The most obvious igns of vomiting are nausea (drooling) and abdominal heaving. Regurgitation is more of a burp where some of the contents in the esophagus, either liquid or solid, come back up. Although there might be some gagging or a bit of coughing as the contents move up, there’s no abdominal heaving involved. Usually, the food brought up is undigested and is covered with mucus.
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Post by Marjorie on Mar 13, 2014 4:28:52 GMT -7
I'm so sorry to hear this, Daniel, and know how discouraging this must be for you and your wife. Please try not to give up hope - we haven't! The vet had originally said that the Denamarin would be given for 2-4 weeks so hopefully her liver results will be better in two weeks and she can get on a NSAID. Plus, her adrenal glands will start making its own steroid again and that will help. Some dogs, due to health issues, can never take a steroid or NSAID and they recover with crate rest and pain meds. Keep in mind that the conservative care truly only started on 2/4.
We're here for you and Peke. Prayers for all.
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Post by Daniel&Peke on Mar 13, 2014 19:25:18 GMT -7
Hello guys well here is an update ..peke showed some signs of pain yesterday we started giving her half a pill of tramadol and half of the muscle relaxer every eight hours, we called the vet but no NSAID until next week , after I gave her the pills like half an hour later she was normal like nothing happened, she is doing great since then so signs of pain or anything ....this is our 6th week of create rest...We are wondering if she will heal with out the NSAID or we have to give it to her any ways? She is acting normal she looked in pain yesterday just for like 30 min after that she turned into the same happy peke. This is like a roller coaster for us....yesterday we were depressed when we sawer in pain 30 min later we were happy.. also Ive been reading about this supplement called vetri disc... I talked to the vet about it and she said it was ok giving her the supplement.
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Post by Marjorie on Mar 14, 2014 7:09:21 GMT -7
Glad to hear that you once again have her pain under control, Daniel. If she is able to get off the pain pills without having pain, that would mean the swelling has gone down and she wouldn't need the NSAID. But she's not there yet. IVDD truly can be quite a roller coaster ride, Daniel. Hang in there.
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