kim2013
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And tramadol andprednisone but not helping
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Post by kim2013 on Dec 16, 2013 11:05:46 GMT -7
Her name is Chip she weighs 12 to 13 lbs took her to vet Nov 13th she was in no pain just unconforable taking a poop but now she poops and pee fine she doesnt move around at all i take her to her pads to pee and poop and she has no probalem eating and drinking has very good appatite she can move legs also waggel tail and no leakage just unable to walk on them
She takes Primidone for sezuires but fr her back she got a cortizone shot and took Tramadol 50 mg 1/2 as needed for pain Prednisone every 12 hrs then 1/2 every 8-12 hrs 5mg
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PaulaM
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Post by PaulaM on Dec 16, 2013 11:40:32 GMT -7
Kim, so glad you have joined us all here on the Support Forum! Do you have her inside of a recovery suite… a packNplay, a baby crib, an ex-pen, a wire crate? The recovery suite is so her disc can heal. There are no meds to heal a disc. Early forming scar tissue can be easily torn with movement of the back. That is a painful thing and then the tear further aggrevates the nerves in the spinal cord…boy is that painful! It is a vicious cycle of heal, retear, pain without the single most important part of the care…the crate rest part. So that means 100% STRICT crate rest 24/7 only out to potty for a full 8 weeks …. No laps, no couch, no sleeping in bed with you, no meandering, scooting or dragging around during potty times. No baths, no chiro (aka VOM). In other words do everything you can to limit the vertebrae in the back from moving and putting pressure on the bad disc. The crate is the only surface that is firm, supportive for the spine, not inclining, always horizontal and keeps a dog from doing the unexpected such as darting off at a TV doorbell and safe from other pets and kids from bothering them. The rest of the details of doing crate rest to ensure the best recovery in this excellent document: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/CrateRRP.htm The purpose of crate rest is to act as a cast of sorts to let the disc heal… only limited movement of STRICT crate rest allows that to happen…there are no meds to heal a disc. Immediate neuro improvement may or may not come during the 8 weeks of crate rest… as nerves may take more than 8 weeks to heal. She is not on a stomach protector such as over the counter from the grocery store: Pepcid AC (famotidine) Is she still throwing up? Since she is still on Pred, I would not take any more chances by making sure she is taking Pepcid AC 5mg 30 mins before pred and giving pred with a meal. Phrase the question to your vet in this particular way: "Is there any medical reason my dog may not take Pepcid AC?" Dogs don't speak up at first signs of trouble like a person would. By the time we notice black or red blood in the stools, things can quickly go from bleeding ulcers to a life threatening perforated stomach. We ask that all members read about each med their dog is on or may take as a safety measure. This directory is in alpha order and what I use myself: www.marvistavet.com/html/pharmacy_center.htmlNot willing to move, not being her normal perky self, shivering, yelping are signs of pain. So it sounds like to me Chip IS in pain with your saying "doesn't move around AT ALL" On the taper down off of pred is the time to assess for pain. Any hint of pain lets you and your vet know that painful swelling is still going on in the spinal cord. And thus the need to go back up to the anti-inflammatory dose for a bit longer before trying another taper. Can you call your vet on the phone so that you do not have to bring/move Chip…to discuss the pain. Let us know you have Chip inside a recovery suite now and what the vets says about Chip not moving at all as a sign of pain. |
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kim2013
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Post by kim2013 on Dec 16, 2013 11:57:22 GMT -7
I SURE DIDNT KNOW THEY COULD TAKE SOMETHING FOR THEIR STOMACH SHES BEEN TAKING PRIMIDONE FOR 12 YRS NOW AS for as her not moving around alot she hasnt done that before she got where she couldnt walk shes very lazy before thats why it so easy keeping her unmobile cause im disabilied too so she doesnt like to leave my side but sure didnt know she had to be in a crate i thought the couch would be fine lol. shed try killin herself to get out has never been in one and very spoiled but we will diffiently try thanks
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PaulaM
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Post by PaulaM on Dec 16, 2013 13:15:42 GMT -7
Kim, we've seen too many dogs doing the unexpected in a blink of an eye. With a disc in the middle of trying to heal and the need to have very limted movement of the back, we owners have found the very safest place is inside the recovery suite. That could be any enclosed unescapable area of just enough room to turn around in, lie down with legs fully stretched out. If your recovery suite is too big, you can always pad out the extra space with a rolled up blanket or towels. Let us know what you have chosen for Chip's recovery suit. Do you have a play packNplay you can borrow. Those have wheels where you can move it room to room with you. Even paralyzed dogs will jump off the couch which has surprised many an owner…so we just don't want to take any chances, we want Chip to have every possibility to have that disc heal and be done with this episode at the end of 8 weeks…no more painful relapses. I did look up Primidone and saw that use with a NSAID or prednisone was something for the vet to be very watchful and alert with. www.vetinfo.com/controlling-canine-seizures-primidone.html Bad reactions include: Swelling of the lips, face or tongue. Closing of the throat marked by a difficulty in breathing. Hives. Fever. Increased seizure activity. Other potential side effects: Dizziness. Nausea or vomiting. Poor coordination. Drowsiness. Blurred vision. Irregular eye movements. Animals undergoing long-term Primidone treatment are usually screened regularly for any signs of liver damage. Caution should also be used when considering Primidone in dogs with known histories of anemia, or certain heart, kidney or lung conditions. Drug interaction may also occur in combination with Primidone, so owners are advised to notify veterinarians if their dogs are taking other medications, particularly NSAIDs, narcotics or cortico-steroids. NSAIDs and Prednisone both cause extra acids in the stomach which leads to nausea and further down the line bleeding ulcers. Pepcid AC helps to reduce stomach acids. I do not know what causes nausea with Primidone…. something after crate rest you should ask your vet about. Can you tell us more about Chip not moving at all…any other signs of pain such as not being her normal perky self, not interested in everything going on about her? Pain will slow down the whole healing process, so that is an important issue to address today. Let us know what you think. |
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