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Post by krystle89 on Nov 7, 2013 16:40:30 GMT -7
My Peanut girl is a 6 year old 15 lb standard dachshund. In July of last year she showed her first signs of ivdd when i noticed her crying every time i picked her up. The next couple days i noticed she was getting worse so i rushed her to the vet. At the vets office they couldn't find anything wrong with her, they said she seems perfectly fine. As i left the vet i knew in my heart something wasn't right she didn't seem comfortable at all. So two days go by as i do my research to try and find out whats wrong with my baby girl. On sunday i go over to my moms house and i noticed her back was extremely hunched and she could barley move. I knew in my heart after all the researching i had done in those two days what was going on with her. I immediately called one of the only vets i knew that was open on sunday(which was not her normal vet but became after our visit) and brought her in right away. As i waited in the examine room i couldnt help myself but cry uncontrollably, because i already knew what they were going to tell me and i just didnt know what i was going to do if i heard those words. Dr. Stensing came in and did an evaluation on peanut and as she checked her reflexes and pressed down her back i hear my baby yelp in terrible pain. My stomach cringed cause i knew what the verdict was before she said anything. With hope in sweet Dr. Stensings voice she said that she still has movement in her back legs so this may not be worse case scenario. She gave me some meds; Previcox, Methocarbamol, and Tramadol. With strict instructions of strict cage rest only to go out to potty. Eight weeks later she was back to normal and so with that we changed a few rules around the house no more jumping on the couch and no more going down the steps out the house. Life for peanut was great until one fateful night on Feb. 4 (my Mothers birthday and 11 days before mine) she walked up to me as i came in my parents house and was barley moving and her left leg kept falling out from under her. Luckily i knew what to do i put her back in her cage and started her meds right away. The next morning as soon as her vet clinic opened i call to make an appointment with Dr. Stensing. On my way to the vet the overwhelming sense of doom came over me and i couldnt help but think this could be the end. We get to the vet and the Dr. takes us back right away and within minutes she looks at me and says this time its worse. I melted on the seat in the room and just cried. Her eyes watered up as well because she knew how much peanut meant to me. Her advice was to take her immediately to Texas A&M where they offer surgery. I loaded up peanut and was accompanied by a dear friend who didnt want me to make this hour long trip alone. I call A&M on the way to let them know the issue and that i was headed that way. I get there and they take peanut from me as soon as i entered the door. After 20 minutes of waiting to hear what they were going to tell me Dr. Steele finally comes in. She proceeds to tell me that peanut has ruptured two disc. Surgery immediately was thrown on the table. It wasnt something i thought we would ever have to do but never the less here it was. Thankfully i was able to get a hold of my husband(he works off shore) and he told me to do whatever i think is best. So 1500 dollars down peanut was checked in for her surgery and she said they would call me after she was out. A&M let me do half down and half at pick up. I get the call saying peanut has made it out of surgery and everything went very well. A week and a half later i go to pick up my baby not sure what to expect. When i get there the vet techs brief me before they bring peanut out. She had a long incision down her back and was woobly walking but extremely happy to see my mom and me. The first few weeks having her home was hard and full of uncertainties. We made it to our 6 week check up and they said they were very impressed that she had lost 2 pounds( she weighed 19 lbs before surgery) and they asked me what i was doing i said i have her on a strict raw food diet. The check up went well they told me she seemed like there was a little pain in her back but nothing to worry about. Two weeks after her 6 week check up i go to my moms like i had been doing every day since she first got hurt to take her out and do her exercises which they had told me that she could come out of being on cage rest after her 6 week check up. Now keep in mind i still had not let her out only to go potty and to do her walk and exercise then back in her cage for another 2 weeks. I let her out and she could barley walk. Her left leg was falling out under her again. I call A&M and they tell me to put her back on her pain meds, her anti inflammatory,and muscle relaxer. I couldn't sleep that night i knew something way worse was wrong. The next morning i rushed to my parents house to check on her and she couldn't walk at all. I called A&M and told them im bring her in now no more waiting. I get there and low and behold she had ruptured 3 more disc. I was infuriated because i was just there two weeks ago and they said she was fine minus the little bit of pain she felt on her spine, plus the fact that they wanted me to wait before i had brought her in. Once again surgery was thrown on the table and this time it was urgent. My mind was just so lost i didnt know what to do. I was so lucky that we had the money to do the surgery the first time but for a second time that would be only by the grace of god! I explained to her how upset i was about this and she proceeded to tell me that they could possibly get us a grant for 2000 off the surgery this time. I said yes lets try and god blessed us enough to get the grant. With the blessing of my husband we went in for round two of surgery. One week later i get the call its time to pick her up. She of course was so beside herself when she came through the exam room. She could barley pick herself up and walk but i was pleased to see she wasn't hurting any longer. The next 6 week would be the hardest 6 weeks of our lives. I decided to stay at my parents so i could keep a better eye on her.( I live in an apartment with stairs and i have a bad knee so going up and down stairs carrying her would of been hard on the both of us) There was a lot of sleepless nights and more tears cried than i could even tell you. We finally made it to our 6 week check up and the staff at A&M were very welcoming as we came through the front door. Dr. Steele was above and beyond impressed how wonderful peanut looked, she still had a hunch in her and was walking still very drunkenly but after everything she went through she was doing fantastic and managed to lose 1 1/2 more pounds. I can not thank A&M enough for all the care and understanding even when i was so upset they were there to help. We are now 6 months post op second surgery and of course me being the worrier i am in between those 6 months i have taken her to her local vet to get check ups when i feel like something is off with her and every time i take her in they tell me how great she looks and is doing. I ended up taking her to the vet yesterday because i noticed she looked depressed and kinda slow but not acting like she in pain. The vet told me with this weather we are having it getting colder that she could be experiencing some discomfort like arthritis. He checked her reflexes and pressed down her spine she show no discomfort and seemed fine. He prescribed her 5mg of Valium to keep her calm and put her back on Previcox for inflammation. My question is; is it possible for her to be having arthritis or could it be shes hurt again. I am constantly worrying about her and checking her and way over thinking everything i suffer from extreme anxiety and become uncontrollably emotional when i think somethings wrong with her. Does the worrying ever subside a little, i live and breathe worry about peanut and i think she cant definitely tell. Sorry peanut story was so long thanks for reading and any help to ease my mind would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by StevieLuv on Nov 7, 2013 21:01:51 GMT -7
Hi, my name is Maureen, what's yours?? Welcome to Dodgers List, I am so happy that you found us. You and Peanut have really been run through the mill with IVDD haven't you! You did a great job getting her to the Vet at the first sign of discomfort, and it sounds like he did a thorough exam, and knows her history well. I don't know that we ever truly relax when it comes to our furkids - especially when they have been through more than one IVDD episode. I know that I watch Stevie more carefully that ever after she had her second IVDD episode. We have to remember that quality of life matters too, for both them and for us. They are always happy if they are pain free, loved and have food enough - we are the ones that need to relax I know that can be hard if you have anxiety already. Try to remember that you know how to deal with a potential IVDD episode - crate her and then get her to the Vet ASAP, and you did that. We are here to help you whenever and however we can. Thank you for sharing Peanuts' story, and please keep us posted on her progress.
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Post by krystle89 on Nov 7, 2013 21:28:43 GMT -7
Hello Maureen, my name is Krystle. Thank you so much for replying to my post it means a lot to peanut and I. I went over to check on peanut again today and when i took her out to go potty before i left i noticed that she seemed a little more unstable than usual. I have no idea what to do. The vet that saw her yesterday wasn't her normal vet she was not in so i had a different one. But he instructed me to give it a week and see how she does but i feel like if her wobbly has become a little more unstable that something is wrong. I am so unsure about whats going on.
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Post by Pauliana on Nov 7, 2013 22:42:49 GMT -7
Hi Krystle, Did you put her back in the crate and what date did you start this current crate rest? Are you now doing 100% STRICT crate rest 24/7 only out to potty. No laps, no couch, no sleeping in bed with you, no meandering, scooting or dragging around during potty times. No chiro (aka VOM)? What did your surgeon direct for PT and for crate rest? Are your parents leaving her in the crate or do they let her out when you aren't around? Call and ask the Vet about restarting her medications and also ask if there is any medical reason why she can't take Pepcid AC to protect her stomach if she is taking a NSAID such as Previcox..She has enough to deal with and doesn't need Ulcers.. Does she seem in pain? Shivering, tight hard tummy, or yelping? I would err on the side of caution and make sure she is crated and carried out to potty for 8 weeks if you plan to treat this conservatively until you know what is wrong with her.. You have been through so much with lil Peanut.. no wonder you are anxious. Please start your reading about IVDD right here: www.dodgerslist.com/healingindex.htmHow to lift and carry Peanut to support her back: Add this comprehensive "must-have" $3 DVD on IVDD to your arsenal of educational resources. Friends, family and those who will be caring for Peanut should also watch this DVD; plus don't forget to order one DVD for your vet www.dodgerslist.com/store/DVDorder.htm It helps to learn all about this disease, the more you learn, the less anxiety as you gain confidence in caring for her.. Remember to show a happy face for Peanut, if she senses you are upset, she will feel she did something wrong and that will make her anxious.. We are here for you.. Pauliana
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Post by krystle89 on Nov 8, 2013 9:28:44 GMT -7
Hi Pauliana, We went into the vet on 11/6 i had noticed the night before that she did not seem her normal self she was wagging her tail and everything but she just didn't seem as happy. She was kind of whimpering but it sounded more like wheezing to me so i thought oh no she might be sick. So i made an appointment on 11/6 and brought her in. The vet that saw her was not her normal one she was not in for the day. So he looked at peanut she was walking around fine and wagging her tail (she was making a lot of nervous crying which is normal she does it every time we go to the vet). I picked her up which i learned how to do from this website the first time she got hurt. He did a normal exam he checked her reflexes in her feet and she flipped them both back over(although her left foot she held for a few seconds longer but the next two times he did it she flipped them back immediately. The left leg was the one she was partially paralyzed in. And its not as advanced as her right foot just yet)He checked her reflexes in her knees and both her legs moved. He told me she has great muscle mass, continued to check her stomach and pinched down her spine and she showed no real sign of discomfort. So he told me it could be arthritis and he gave her 5mg of valium and instead of a full tablet of previcox he said to give her half of one twice a day. He said to keep her on that for a week. I Asked him if i need to keep her crated he told me no it wasn't necessary. I always over think the situation so i didnt listen to him and she is back in the crate with only potty breaks. She seems happy since we got her started on her meds she barks like crazy and cries because she wants out real bad, her tail keeps wagging and when i do let her out she does her normal shake like they do after a bath. My parents know not to let her out now because i told my mom after we had gotten home from the vet. I noticed last night that she seem a little more unbalanced and of course that terrified me. I just talk with my mom and she said that she was walking like she normally does and she was trying to get bugs while she went potty. So i dont know if im over thinking this or if i should be as worried as i am. Im going over there to see for myself of course but i just dont want to wait till its to late. Do you suggest i put her back on all three meds anyways or wait and see if she gets better. Ive read all kinds of articles on dodgerslist and they have taught me so much as far as how to care for her and ivdd is. But im still so unsure i guess about every little thing that she does that may be different.
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Post by Marjorie on Nov 8, 2013 18:06:52 GMT -7
Hi, Krystle
Were you able to observe Peanut today yourself? How is she doing? Is she showing any signs of pain? I wouldn't start her back on the Tramadol unless she's showing signs of pain and until you've spoken with the vet about pain meds.
Please let us know what you're observing today.
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Post by krystle89 on Nov 8, 2013 18:42:58 GMT -7
Hi Marjorie, I was able to go and see peanut today. I spent all day at my parents watching her every time i let her out to potty. She doesn't seem to be in pain, i haven't noticed crying and unwillingness to move if anything she tries to take off and walk fast of course i have to stop her and carry her to another place to get her to potty. I have noticed to me it seems like she is more weak in her left leg than usual. Which is kind of hard to tell cause she has been wobbly after both of her surgeries. But she seems to lean more on her right rear leg, she still moves and walks on the left but it seem like more weight has been put on her right. I switched her out from the play pen we keep her in to a crate so there isn't much room to move around and of course it as made her upset and she seems to be a little more sad in the crate. It so hard to tell with her if shes not feeling well cause shes acting like she normally does. When i let her out of her crate to take her potty she automatically goes to another dog food bowl sitting outside her crate searching for crumbs. I noticed on tuesday that she was slow thats why i took her to the vet. But since being put on the previcox she seems to be feeling better i just cant get over the fact that her left leg seems to be more weak so of course im assuming the absolute worst. I was going to start her back on her methocarbamol and of course keep giving the pervicox tomorrow do you think that would be smart just because im unsure about whats going on?
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Post by Pauliana on Nov 8, 2013 22:39:50 GMT -7
Hi Krystle,
Be sure to put a harness and leash when you take her outside to keep her from trying to run around.
I would call and tell the Vet what you have observed, and ask if he wants you to start the Methocarbamol.
Sounds to me like she has her personality back and that usually means they are feeling better.
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Post by krystle89 on Nov 12, 2013 22:25:13 GMT -7
She is acting normal and even rolled over today when I let her out to check and see how her walking was ( my husband came back into town so she was excited to see him). But it seems like she's walking more clumsily I have not seen signs of pain though. Could the clumsyness be a side affect from arthritis? I plan on taking her back to the vet on Thursday to have them check her spine again to see if she's feeling any pain in her spine. I'm losing my mind cause I'm so worried. I thought about even calling and seeing about acupuncture. My mother in law told me about this lady who uses essincial oils on her pets and has had many dachshund owners who have been going through ivdd with their pets who use them an have great success. Has anyone heard about using oils to help with pain and just overall well being? And how can you tell if it's just arthritis?
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Post by Pauliana on Nov 12, 2013 22:47:05 GMT -7
Clumsy walking sounds like the beginnings of nerve damage.. Please read here to learn more about nerves regeneration and the symptoms. : www.dodgerslist.com/literature/healingnerves.htmMake sure she is on 100% crate rest because it can prevent her from losing function. She is still walking and is a great candidate for conservative treatment.. The more moving around she does, it disturbs the early healing of her disc which needs lack of movement to properly repair and heal. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/CrateRRP.htmYour Vet or preferably a Neuro Vet can examine her and determine if this current episode is relating to IVDD or to Arthritis. I know how scary it is and all of us worry about our dogs having another episode, it comes with the territory.. The best thing for our fears is knowledge and prevention. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/protectback.htm www.dodgerslist.com/literature.htm#uptospeedThe more you know and learn about this disease the better it will be for you and for Peanut.. It's the unknown that is scary.. I was scared too at the beginning.. but I found it eased my fears a lot to learn all I could about how to take care of Tyler and also so I could talk with confidence with our Vets.. Here is some info about Acupuncture and yes indeed, it can be very effective on dogs with IVDD as it can jumpstart the nerves to regenerate. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/healingacupuncture.htm
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Post by krystle89 on Nov 12, 2013 22:54:46 GMT -7
I've been doing a lot of reading and researching and still feel kinda lost just because I've been through this with peanut 3 times already before and I still get an awful feeling. Is it possibly for a dog to have ruptured a total of 5 disc and have two surgeries already and still possibly live a life without ever rupturing another disc? We went six months with out incident and I feel like here we go again! I ordered some joint supplements and trying my best but I feel discouraged
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Post by PaulaM on Nov 13, 2013 11:28:29 GMT -7
Krystle, be aware of supplements and IVDD, when on meds is also not the time to give supplements. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/Supplements.htmPeanut was born with a progressive degeneative disease. Some dogs have only one episode their entire lifetime…others do have multiple episodes. We learn to live with this disease by crating to allow the disc to heal and meds. Arthritis does not cause nerve damage such as delayed placement of the paw. Increased wobbly walking would be due to nerve damage. If this is really the case then the DVM has a decision he may want to make to switch to the most powerful of ant-inflammatories..a steroid. NSAIDs are the lessor of anti-inflammatories and are often used when there is only pain and no neuro diminishment. A washout of 4-7 days is judicious, as is double stomach protection. So you can be part of the decision making and discussion these two pages will give you a good background: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/healingsurgery.htmwww.dodgerslist.com/literature/healingsweling.htmJust like us when we are sick in bed for a long time, just getting up to walk to the bathroom we are not stable and need to hold on. Muscle weakness could be Peanut's problem. An exam by your vet can help you determine muscle weakness vs. neuro damage. For right now it is important to deal with today…the future is not yet here and all the things you imagine now may never materialize. Look for the good things you observe each day…those lift your spirit and follow to Peanut's spirit. Negative thinking only serves to drain your energies, bring your spirit down, Peanut watches you and will mirror your thoughts. You are in control of your mind…choose to not go to the dark side. Instead recognize what IS good. 1. You are reading and committed to helping Peanut..that is a good thing!! Kudos to you gal! 2. She rolled over, sure proof she is not in pain to do that. 3. You have a vet who is there to help Peanut 4. Peanut is still the same loving cutie and will be back to enjoying family activities when the rest period is over. 5. you fill in the blank with your own observations Life is not holding a good hand; Life is playing a poor hand well.
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Post by krystle89 on Nov 13, 2013 12:09:42 GMT -7
Updated on peanut I took her to the vet today he felt down her spine and her tummy and checked her muscle in her legs. Her spine show no signs of tenderness and her tummy was relaxed as well as her muscle in her leg. He said that I'm right to take precautions and be on top of this. But he said as far as he can tell she's happy and healthy. He said as far as her left leg being weak he said it's just a result of being almost paralyzed back in April when she got her second surgery. He said that it may never function the same an that's okay he said. But he was extremely confident when he was telling me that what he suspected was once causing her discomfort was built up extra scar tissue. She is happy go lucky but I still wrap her in that bubble. I'm trying to let her loose and being able to enjoy herself but of course I still cring at any misstep that may cause her to get a little off balance but I guess ill learn to deal with my fears.
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Post by Sabrina on Nov 13, 2013 17:22:30 GMT -7
Hi Krystle! I'm Sabrina. So glad to hear that Peanut isn't showing signs of pain!
The vet you saw today, was he a general vet, a neuro vet, a surgeon? Was he Peanut's normal vet?
Peanut is so lucky to have you watching out for her! ))Hugs!(( - Sabrina
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Post by krystle89 on Nov 13, 2013 19:05:34 GMT -7
Hi, Sabrina he was the owner of the vet clinic I take peanut to. He said that he sees owners bring in their pets with ivdd and they hardly ever get the precautions you have to take with such a delicate disease. He said that she is doing great and I also asked if he thought I should do acupuncture and he said that he feels that it wouldn't hurt but because she doing so well that she may not need it right now but that if I wanted to try it I could. He spent 45 mins with me as I explained to him all my concerns and he seemed very informative about the disease and the spine. It definitely made me feel better to be able to hear that he believes she's doing great. I'm not sure about a neuro vet I don't know where is find one of those? I'm open for anything at this point I just want my girl to feel happy and loved. I know I do more worrying than anything about her. I'm trying my hardest to calm down and not panic over the slightest thing. He told me to keep her on the pervicox for maybe two or three more days. I also told him that i am still keeping her in her pen for right now. He explained to me that I should not let her play with her sister because it's too risky (her sister is a boston terrier) I told him of course I monitored them when they did play but that if it's in her best interest I will keep them separated. So I'm trying my best and trying to not to be obsessed about it but as y'all know it's very difficult to just relax. I'm so grateful to have y'all to help me through this I felt like for so long I was alone in this but as I read other people stories it gives me some piece of mind. I would love to hear if anyone has any suggestions or pointers they can give me to help my baby live a comfortable life with this awful disease.
Okay so I just figured out about the neuro vet and that was the vet at A&M we took her two when she had we last surgery she hasn't been back since may 26 when she had her 6 week post op surgery. Should I take her back to see them? The only reason I hadn't mainly was because it's an hour away and I figured I'd take her to the vet that she had been seeing since she was diagnosed with ivdd. I figured if check with her normal vet first. Her vet graduated from A&M and seem very informed with the neurological department there.
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Post by PaulaM on Nov 14, 2013 8:58:22 GMT -7
Krystle, your vet does seem to be very knowledgable about IVDD! A consultation with a neuro would be because Peanut has pain after several attempts to go off of the NSAID, previcox. Or if pain is not being controlled and you want a specialists expertise in use of meds. So far things seem to be going in the right direction under the care of your local vet. Keep us updated as the Previcox is stopped that there are no signs of painful swelling still existing. The suggestion I have is to re-reread if necessary all the information we have for you. It is only with understanding of this disease that you are able to play an instrumental roll in giving Peanut every opportunity to heal. 100% STRICT crate rest means no playing with others, no laps, no Chiro, no baths. In other words doing everything possible to limit movement of the back so the disc can heal. Here is our treasure trove of IVDD information: www.dodgerslist.com/literature.htm
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