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Post by Laurie & Bode on Nov 3, 2013 18:32:35 GMT -7
Hi my name is Laurie and my 9 year old mini dachshund had disc surgery back on Oct 15th. He had DPS before the surgery but has not regained since. He has bowel control but cannot urinate on his own. My fiancée has no problems expressing him. He just returned from a week long stay at the University of Illinois small animal clinic where he had therapy for the week. They did see small progress but no DPS. At this point we love him regardless, but still hold out hope for him to walk again. They would like him to come back on Nov 18th for another week of therapy and after that will make a determination on a cart. We do his massages and range of motion exercise at home. He is a bit overweight as he was 21lbs at the time of his surgery, after his therapy he is now 19.8 lbs! We have cut out all treats and only give him raw carrots and green beans! He is hungry all the time and barks at us constantly!
At this time I guess I am just looking for some reassuring words that although it has been almost 3 weeks since the surgery he could still regain DPS.
Thanks for listening!
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Post by StevieLuv on Nov 3, 2013 22:28:21 GMT -7
Hi Laurie, my name is Maureen. Welcome to Dodgers List. Never give up hope - it takes 2-3 weeks for post op swelling to go down. We have a member currently on the list whose dog Roxi is starting to regain her DPS after having surgery on Oct 11 No one can predict how much function will return, not even a surgeon, and each dog is unique, but there is a general order to how nerves heal. Does Bode wag his tail at all? If you take him to an old pee spot will he sniff about and release urine (sniff and pee test)? Is his pain well controlled? What medications - if any- is he on, both name of med and dosage? Here is how nerves typically heal... in the reverse order of the damage to the spinal cord: 1. Deep Pain Sensation (Only correctly identified by a specialist.) 2. Tail wagging with joy at seeing you or getting a treat or meal. 3. Bladder and bowel control verified with the "sniff and pee" test. 4. Leg Movement, and then ability to move up into a standing position, and then wobbly walking. 5. Being able to walk with more steadiness and properly place the feet. 6. Ability to walk unassisted and perhaps even run We all are here to help, we have all been through this either with surgery, or with conservative treatment, or both. Keep us posted on Bode's progress.
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Post by Laurie & Bode on Nov 4, 2013 18:55:51 GMT -7
Hi Maureen, Thanks for responding! No, Bode has not wagged his tail, yet. We have taken him outside on occasion, but he has not tried to pee on his own. Currently he is on Prazosin to relax his bladder. They took him off of all his pain medication and Predisone last week. Bode seems to be feeling better as we are trying to keep him still! I keep reading all of the success stories and hope we have one to share soon!
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Post by Kristen & Yogi on Nov 4, 2013 19:58:15 GMT -7
Hi Laurie! Thinking of you as you care for Bode! I am Roxi's owner that Maureen was speaking of and she had surgery on 10/11/13. Her DPS just started to come back...she was similar in that she had it when going into surgery. She did not have it 2 weeks post op, but this week, she does! She is doing acupuncture, water therapy and laser light and I am starting to see improvements! This takes a lot of time and patience..I am learning... and it is small steps but we will take them! Best of luck to you and your baby!
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Post by Laurie & Bode on Nov 4, 2013 20:11:11 GMT -7
Thank you Roxi's owner! That is great news for you! I enjoy hearing good news! We just keep trying to think positive and hope for the best. We love him no matter what! But I still keep asking Bode for a little tail wag, that's all!! Good luck to you as well!
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Post by Pauliana on Nov 4, 2013 21:22:12 GMT -7
Hi Laurie,
I remember when my Tyler did his first tail wag after surgery and it was cause for celebration. I learned to appreciate every little sign of improvement. From wobbly walking to tail wagging to trying to scratch with one of his back feet. Things we took for granted before became cause for tears of joy. It's still early yet in Bode's post op recovery even though it doesn't seem like it. Swelling is still going down from the surgery so there is every hope for improvement to come.. Keep the faith!
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Post by Laurie & Bode on Nov 12, 2013 18:32:44 GMT -7
Well, not much progress with Bode. We did take him to our regular vets for a weekend stay this past weekend. He had an accident in his cage on the way there and as I was cleaning him up in the restroom, there was a little puddle underneath him. I don't think he had a full bladder because we had expressed him before we left the house. After speaking with his dr, he said they did have to express him over the weekend, but also said that Bode might be helping to empty his own bladder. Does this make any sense? We are continuing with his massages and range of motion exercises, but his back legs still seem so limp. Next week is another week long stay for therapy, and at the end we will know the therapists plan for a cart. Hopefully this week is better than the last time, somehow he escaped his cage and fell 3 ft to the floor. Luckily he was ok when they found him scooting all over the place. Somehow, I wonder if the fall has slowed any of his progress. We also bought him a new playpen, as he really doesn't like his cage! Still hopeful!!!
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Post by StevieLuv on Nov 12, 2013 18:41:54 GMT -7
Wow, he has been a busy boy! The next time he stays at the Vet insist on a floor level cage - it he can escape, or they can't insure that it is properly latched then he needs to be kept at ground level. Even though he seems to be okay, it sure doesn't help to drop 3 feet to the ground! He is one lucky little dude!!! He can be helping to empty his own bladder a bit, and that is a good sign that he has some nerve function returning! Stay hopeful, nerves heal at their own slow pace. Let us know how he makes out with the playpen Keep the faith - he's doing great
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Post by Laurie & Bode on Nov 12, 2013 18:54:40 GMT -7
Thank you for helping us through this, we were very lucky he wasn't hurt worse. I know everyone at the hospital was very concerned. Bode seems to like the playpen a little bit better! He has also been licking his back paws as well as letting us know he has to have a bowel movement if he is in his crate or playpen. Is it normal for his back legs to be so limp after 4 weeks?
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Post by Pauliana on Nov 12, 2013 22:09:02 GMT -7
Hi Laurie,
Since Bode is licking his pack paws, he must be feeling some sensations back there.. Do keep an eye on that because if he starts biting his back paws it can be as a result of nerve pain.. It starts as numbness and escalates to burning pain and this is so painful dogs have been known to do serious damage to themself to the point of biting off the offending body part. Gabapentin, is excellent for nerve pain and would be the drug of choice if he has nerve pain. Please speak with your vet if you notice his licking turning to biting his paws..
REGAINING NEUROLOGICAL FUNCTION has no time limit for nerves to heal. Nerve repair is individual as each injury is different and each dog’s ability to heal is different. If deep pain perception (DPP) is present, even in paralyzed legs, there is a chance your dog may be able to walk again. For those dogs who have lost DPP, do know nerve regeneration can take place and that function may return. Once deep pain perception is regained, your dog has a chance at a walking recovery. Thousands of dogs on Dodgerslist have regained functions in as little as 2 weeks, others 11 months, and still others 3 years later. IVDD is a disease of patience to allow the body to heal on its own terms. Acupuncture and Laser Therapy stimulate the cell’s metabolism that leads to the body’s natural repair abilities and can be started at any time.
Once nerves have repaired then muscles will also have to be retrained to relearn proper placement of the paws. Some muscles will need to regain strength for walking. Consider learning to walk again as it would be for a stroke victim or a baby learning to walk. At first, the steps will be weak and a bit unstable. Relearning to walk takes coordination, building up strength, and lots of patience.
There is no timetable anyone can give you when to expect nerve repair to happen. In fact, there is no time limit for nerves to heal...it can take weeks to more like a year or even longer. However, it is known that neurological function usually returns in the reverse order of the damage. The first big sign you want to look for is that wonderful tail wag! 1. Deep Pain Sensation (Only correctly identified by a specialist.) 2. Tail wagging with joy at seeing you, getting a treat or due to your happy talk. 3. Bladder and bowel control proved by passing the "sniff and pee" test. Take your dog out to an old pee spot in the grass. Let him sniff and then observe for release of urine. 4. Leg movement, and then ability to move up into a standing position, and then wobbly walking. 5. Being able to walk with more steadiness and properly placed paws. 6. Ability to walk unassisted and perhaps even run.
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Post by Laurie & Bode on Nov 21, 2013 21:11:25 GMT -7
Just a quick update! We have received great news this week! Bode has DPS!! His therapist confirmed along with the surgeon on Monday he has it. Tuesday he had movement in his tail, and yesterday he was kicking his back legs in the water! We are so excited. Although we know he has a long road ahead, we couldn't be happier!! He comes home tomorrow so we will learn the next steps when we pick him up. His therapist said although it took him quite a while to regain DPS once he had it he is moving along rather quickly! It has been a long few weeks but the good news is well worth it. Thanks for keeping our hopes up!!
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Post by Marjorie on Nov 22, 2013 14:16:18 GMT -7
That's absolutely wonderful news, Laurie! Very glad to hear it. Please keep us updated when he gets home and also let us know what the surgeon prescribes for crate rest and PT.
All the best to you and Bode.
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Post by Laurie & Bode on Jan 15, 2014 19:44:01 GMT -7
We'll it has been quite a while since my last update. Bode has not had much progress in the last few weeks. We ordered his wheels last night as he doesn't have much desire to walk at this point. He seems content the way he is. He is still unable to urinate on his own and came home from therapy early as he wasn't doing much for his therapist. We are pretty discouraged at this point, but we believe he is happy the way he is. His therapist still says he has DPS so I still have a little hope. So frustrating!!
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Post by PaulaM on Jan 15, 2014 22:46:16 GMT -7
Laurie, good to have an update on Bode. The important thing is that he is a happy guy. Walking would just be the icing on an already wonderful cake!
Which wheelchair did you settle on? Check out Clark the first moment he got his wheelchair. He was a bit hesitant while other dogs just take off running.
Of course now Clark is very used to his cart since 2007. He takes his cart through snow trails, over branches and through woodland trails.
He, too, is a very happy guy..he's really the same as before the injury..making me laugh, keeping me company and fun to watch his antics. I love him just the same as when he could walk.
Upload a video to youtube and let us see what Bode is up to.
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