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Post by PaulaM on May 27, 2022 10:11:24 GMT -7
Paulette, I've quickly scanned back thru all your posts and do not see the name of the chinese herb. Could you supply the details, exact name, etc? Date started? What kind of vet prescribed?
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Post by Paulette & Henry on May 30, 2022 9:27:50 GMT -7
Hello all. Henry and I are doing well. Tomorrow starts week 5. Still no pain meds or prednisone. Still fingers crossed that we can maintain. He’s such a good boy and tolerating this so well. He’s the best little beagle. Continuing with his [name of?] Chinese herbs as described above, weekly acupuncture and the Assisi loop twice a day here at home. We are maintaining and hopefully healing. 🙏
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Post by PaulaM on Jun 1, 2022 18:35:10 GMT -7
Paulette, may Henry's disc continue to heal and no setbacks of any kind observed...he's dong very nicely!!!! Just found...I had not realized you had added to a post already marked by a moderator to add about the Chinese herb Best is to always make a new post with additional or corrected info so we don't miss important information.
Even though Henry is off of prednisone, you should know about Chinese herb Double P II. May Henry have only one disc episode like many a dog. Just in case he would, however, have another disc problem down the line that is the reason to be aware....
CHINESE HERB A herb pill is composed of many herbs in one bottle/pill, meaning you will need to Google each one to familiarize yourself on what your dog is taking. I would be hesitant with Chinese Herbs if your dog has allergies or is taking any conventional prescription drugs such as a steroid or a non-steroid (NSAID). There can be possible negative reactions between prescription meds and Chinese herbs. Little is written about Double P II.
Very experienced holistic vets will be hesitant to prescribe Chinese herbs when conventional medication such as prednisone is already in use. The reason is there is no asurity there would not be any interactions with the other medications that could make your dog sick or worse.
Since your dog is no longer on any prescription drugs Chinese ones may be helpful and worth a try if your pocketbook will accomodate.
What is the intended outcome with the use of Kan Essentials Spine Lithe (formerly Supple Spine)? Ingredients: PUBESCENT ANGELICA ROOT, white peony root, SICHUAN LOVAGE RHIZOME, Eucommia bark, Siler root, Cyathula root, Notopterygium root and rhizome, Large-leaf gentian root, CHINESE RED GINSENG ROOT, Loranthus twig, Rehmannia root (prepared), Curculigo rhizome, Poria, CHINESE LICORICE ROOT, Chinese cinnamon bark.
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Post by Paulette & Henry on Jun 7, 2022 5:53:39 GMT -7
Hello all. Today starts Henry’s 6th week of healing. He is doing very well and still I am happy and grateful to get through every day. I am looking forward to what comes next. He has an appointment with his neurosurgeon on June 28 and I am sure we will get some direction for “what’s next”. I am selling all of his stairs that I built for him on Facebook and buying a hybrid style ramp- so not so steep as ramps but with little bumps on it so he cannot run down it , when he is allowed this activity again. www.amazon.com/dp/B08V5FP5Y2?ref_=cm_sw_r_cp_ud_dp_4HNN1Z7377HRR7GA1K1RSo for today, all is well here and thankful every single day for Henry’s great attitude for recovery and his recovering. We are a great team. I am also thankful for this group and your loving, caring and knowledgeable supoort.
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Post by PaulaM on Jun 7, 2022 7:51:38 GMT -7
Paulette, love hearing things are going smoothly with REST and soon approaching graduation!. Consider investing in a ramp for an IVDD dog. It is the steps that cause impact on discs when vertebrae move which a ramp does not. Ideas for DIY and commercial ramps discussed here: dodgerslist.boards.net/thread/867/ramps?page=1At graduation we'll have lots of ideas to teach "no taking impact shortcuts" off of a ramp and more.
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Post by Paulette & Henry on Jun 7, 2022 11:05:50 GMT -7
Most of the websites in your attached are not active any longer. Would this be better? Topmart High Density Extended Foam Dog Ramp&Steps 3 Tiers,15.7" High,Non-Slip Dog Stairs,Soft Foam Dog Ladder,Best for Dogs Injured,Older Cats,Pets with Joint Pain a.co/d/jc46jc7
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Post by PaulaM on Jun 7, 2022 11:44:28 GMT -7
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Post by Paulette & Henry on Jun 7, 2022 12:25:06 GMT -7
Thanks
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Post by Paulette & Henry on Jun 10, 2022 9:16:45 GMT -7
As Henry and I are approaching graduation at the end of the month I was just wondering what kind of restrictions are we looking for afterwards And how else I need to prep the house before that time. I have rugs everywhere I’m looking into ramps but I just wondered what else and what his restrictions might be. Thank you
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Post by PaulaM on Jun 10, 2022 10:13:56 GMT -7
Paulette, you know Henry was born with IVDD. Some dogs could have multiple disc episodes during a life time. You might be able to prolong or maybe avoid a disc episode with this prematurely aging of the discs disease. Jumping up or down impacts the discs. A prematurely aged disc is then likely to tear and could impact the spinal cord nerves. This disc episode was in the neck and fortunately did not impact the nerves! Have you a method to prevent Henry from even thinking he might jump up on furniture or take some stairs/steps if you have them in your house? DIY Ideas for blocking off furniture: dodgerslist.com/2020/07/09/home-protect-ivdd-backs/Looking forward to graduation day to share with you many more ideas in living with Henry many happy years ahead.
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Post by Paulette & Henry on Jun 10, 2022 12:16:40 GMT -7
Thank you. Much appreciated.
I forgot to ask. Can he get his nails trimmed and a bath after the eight week?
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Post by Romy & Frankie on Jun 10, 2022 13:55:17 GMT -7
After graduation, both nail trimming and baths are safe.
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Post by Paulette & Henry on Jun 21, 2022 5:37:10 GMT -7
Henry is doing great! We are starting week 8 today. He has been going on small walks [graduation day 6/28] at the direction of his vet and I know he is definitely stronger.I am preparing the house for what comes next. Ramps to the couch and rugs everywhere. Gate to confine him to the kitchen bedroom and sunroom for now. . I have decided not to buy a ramp to the bed. He can’t reach it, can’t jump up there anyway and he seems ok with his feet on the floor by the bed. He can’t fall off of something he can’t get on. He definitely needs his nails trimmed. I am going to bring a peanut butter lick pads with me when we go next week so he stays busy when they cut his nails. I am going to do everything I can on my end to help prevent another episode for my little man. I understand this ca happen again even with a sneeze. I am very appreciative to this group for your support and help. I know this isn’t over….it helped me maintain my sanity and helped me do the right hint for Henry. Thank you. More to follow.
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Post by PaulaM on Jun 21, 2022 7:11:42 GMT -7
Paulette, we aren't vets. However, you don't have to be a vet to recommend what we recommend. Have you known of someone with a back injury? Even though the doctor said take it easy with no lifting, bed rest, in a few days they feel better. The human starts to do activity the doctor said not to do. Their back hurts again. Humans can relate activity to increased pain. The human will take it easy again--if not they pay the price with a worsened back condition, maybe a surgery. Dogs do not have the reasoning ability human's have. Dogs depend on the smarts of their owners. If you say go on a walk, they are all in on your idea. However, the recovery suit is necessary to keep Henry from doing the things which have a great potential to make his disc worse. Which in turn could impact the spinal cord functions. What happened to the single most important care you can give Henry when you last wrote: "Henry and I are approaching graduation at the end of the month"Carrying out strict rest until graduation day of 6/28 is your choice to make. No vet can make it for you and neither can we. I can tell you from my 15 years here at Dodgers and watching over 15,000 dogs and length of crate rest time that nothing good ever comes from cutting 8 weeks of STRICT rest short. Henry is relying on you to make the hard recovery suite decisions on his behalf right now. THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT CARE The hallmark component of conservative treatment is the very STRICT crate rest part (no PT, little movement). With little blood supply discs are much slower to form good scar tissue than it takes a blood rich broken bone to heal. Those weeks of a cast for a broken arm to heal is similar to the recovery suite being a kind of cast for the disc. 100% STRICT crate rest 24/7 for 8 weeks provides limited movement to allow good strong scar tissue to form. STRICT rest to allow the disc to heal means: ◼︎no laps ◼︎no couches ◼︎no baths ◼︎no sleeping with you ◼︎no chiro therapy WHYs: dodgerslist.com/2020/04/22/chiropractic/ ◼︎no meandering or walking at potty times. Only minimal/fewest of footsteps to take care of business. ◼︎no PT for conservative dogs during 8 weeks to heal disc ◼︎no going on walks.
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Post by Paulette & Henry on Jun 21, 2022 7:20:20 GMT -7
Thank you and I appreciate your advice. I understand the healing process. I also have expert advice from the neurosurgeon. I couldn’t be more scared than anyone that he will reinjure his back. I feel like you have scolded me when I wouldn’t do anything bit prescribed for Henry by experts and I realize your experience with 15000 dogs. I want nothing more for Henry than to recover safely from this episode and prepare for his safe, uninjured life ahead.
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Post by Paulette & Henry on Jun 27, 2022 8:26:53 GMT -7
Henry graduates tomorrow and also has a neurosurgeon appointment. I have a list of questions a mile long. The little guy is doing awesome. ♥️♥️♥️What an experience this has been. Geez!
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Post by Paulette & Henry on Jun 28, 2022 13:15:15 GMT -7
Henry graduated today! I am so proud of him and me for getting through this. He saw his neurosurgeon today also and he got a very overwhelming positive exam. The vet said he looks excellent. He said he can resume activities slowly giving him a little more freedom and resuming walking. He has been walking the past week and a half a little more. We discussed whether or not he was a candidate for laser disc ablation. The vet said he was a very good candidate and would highly recommend it for him. I understand that this isn’t foolproof. So today I called and contacted the vet five hours from here had a very long discussion with him about risks, the procedure and post op. Henry is scheduled for [LDA] July 20. Thank you all for your support throughout this highly emotional time. All of Henry’s stairs have been removed and he only has ramps. There will not be a ramp to the bed as that is now limits, he can’t jump up there and I am not going to encourage it. He doesn’t seem to care. There are rugs all over the house also. The toys that he loves to shake and carry on with will be put away until after the ablation at which time I will discuss that with the vet. Only squeaky rubber toys are out and bones. I have created a play area on the side of the house which leads out for his doggie door. It is all decked in. He will have access to the rest of the decked yard when I am out there. The neurosurgeon said three things can exacerbate Henry’s condition, weight, excessive jumping and rough housing and genetics. I can only manage two of those three and I plan to help this little guy in every way I can have a good rest of his life. The dr that does the ablation said he can have more of a dogs life after the ablation a little less anxiety producing fear for me.
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Post by Romy & Frankie on Jun 28, 2022 13:44:54 GMT -7
Congratulations on Henry's graduation day! It is wonderful to hear how well he is doing.
When a dog is released from crate rest, he should be re-introduced to activity slowly. The idea is to gradually give more freedom under controlled conditions. Henry should not have free rein of the house and yard immediately. Take a look at our information and then come up with a plan to gradually increase activity over about a month's time following the end of crate rest. There is a sample schedule to slowly introduce your dog back to family life and physical activity here: dodgerslist.com/2020/06/15/back-friendly/I know you are using ramps now, this is excellent. Furniture blockers also stop jumping up and threfore strain on the back. I am not sure if you have had a chance to look at the tips we have here: dodgerslist.com/2020/07/09/home-protect-ivdd-backsResearch out of Oklahoma State, on a small number of dogs, has found laser disc ablation helpful. One thing to keep in mind is that the surgeon does not usually zap all the discs, but only the ones most likely to be problematic. Because of this, Henry's back should still be protected with ramps, furniture blockers etc. Henry can enjoy himself with back-friendly-fun activities. These are fun, and my dog loved to play games like this.
We invite you to hop on to our educational bandwagon team. Education about disc disease is our number one mission! We wish we did not have to hear of another dog that was put to sleep because of disc disease nor one denied the correct principles of STRICT rest to help them heal. We would like all of our members to pay forward for the help they have received with their dog by helping us educate! Pick what suits you.... -- "Share" our FB posts www.facebook.com/Dodgerslist
When in conversation at the grocery store line or wherever you may meet breeds most prone to IVDD (Dachshunds, Beagles, Poodles, Spaniels, Shih Tzus, Pekingese, and Chihuahuas) give out our free little wallet cards.
Hand carry our literature and introduce us to your vet. your vet too:
Again, congratulations to you both.
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Post by Paulette & Henry on Jun 28, 2022 14:11:34 GMT -7
Thank you for your note. Much appreciated. Henry has been taking nosework classes for two years. It will even be more important now than ever that we continue it. I will look into furniture blockers. I am on the Facebook group already. I would love to share the news with pamphlets I already talk up this group to everyone. I filled out the forms to volunteer but I haven’t heard anything. I understand that they don’t do all the discs and that there is still a risk for the rest. We will reintroduce life here a little at a time. Thanks again.
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Post by PaulaM on Jul 20, 2022 11:17:29 GMT -7
Paulette, glad to hear the procedure went well. We do look forward to hearing from you with future updates. Often the dog patient is not followed up for the long term, so that would be good to hear from you how Henry is doing with LDA. For your browser's bookmark here is Henry's link for easy return in the future. dodgerslist.boards.net/thread/8602/
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Post by Paulette & Henry on Jul 20, 2022 14:43:41 GMT -7
Henry was discharged with Carprophen every 12 hours for 7 days. Should I also give him Pepcid AC with that?
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Post by Romy & Frankie on Jul 20, 2022 15:00:33 GMT -7
Yes, all anti-inflammatories, including Carprofen cause excess stomach acid so a stomach protector is still needed.
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Post by Paulette & Henry on Jul 20, 2022 15:09:23 GMT -7
If I remember correctly it is 30 minutes before the Carprophen. He is 24 lbs and the pepcid is 20 mg so he gets 10 mgs twice a day. Is that correct? He sees the vet tomorrow morning again so I will check with him. Just want to make sure he is covered tonight. Thank you
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Post by PaulaM on Jul 21, 2022 10:09:21 GMT -7
First, verify your dog has no health issues (heart, liver, kidneys). If no health issues, purchase at any grocery store. PEPCID AC (famotidine) The usual dose during a disc episode for dogs is 0.44mg per pound 30 mins before the anti-inflammatory and thereafter every 12 hours. Give the anti-inflammatory with a meal as added protection. www.1800petmeds.com/Famotidine-prod11171.html24lbs X 0.44famotidine = 10.56mgs famotidine. Round down to 10mgs. Give every 12hrs (2x/day)
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Post by Paulette & Henry on Jul 21, 2022 13:11:22 GMT -7
Ok thank you
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Post by Paulette & Henry on Aug 11, 2022 12:03:05 GMT -7
Hello. I just wanted to let you know that Henry is doing great after his disc ablation. It’s been three weeks now.
Also, is there any way I can change my settings so that I only get responses to my thread? Right now I am getting an email every time there is a new thread or response to it. Thank you.
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Post by Romy & Frankie on Aug 11, 2022 13:15:46 GMT -7
I am very happy to hear how well Henry is doing.
I am surprised you are getting notified for every new post and not simply replies to your own posts. Not sure what happened. These are the instructions we give. They should result in a notification when there has been a reply to your own thread: Go to the CONSERVATIVE (or SURGERY) Board 1. Look for your dog's thread and checkmark it. 2. Look for the white ACTIONS button towards top. 3. Select “Notification Options" from the pull down menu — check mark “NEW POST” change from never to INSTANT email — press the SAVE button. Click the “x” to close the window 4. Next choose the “Bookmark” See the tiny book symbol now!
If these are the instructions you followed, we will look into what went wrong.
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Post by PaulaM on Aug 11, 2022 15:38:54 GMT -7
Paulette, glad to hear post LDA all is well.
Romy gave you the steps to make a bookmark for just Henry's thread.
You may have also adjusted some other things in your profile.
--Click on your display name above Henry's picture.. -- Go to: EDIT PROFILE> NOTIFICATIONs
Make sure New Threads and New Posts are set to "NEVER" Look over for other things you never want to be notified of.
Make sure BOOKMARK remains on "INSTANT" That is a bookmark for Henry's thread only
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