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Post by PaulaM on Jun 3, 2013 18:26:12 GMT -7
Goosey, the reasons for keeping a dog at the hospital are several. Not yet having bladder control is not one of those reasons. Dr. Isaacs explains how a hospital determine when to send a patient home. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/surgery.htm#dischargeReview the video and the tips on expressing a bladder. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/Expressing.htm Then if Lucy's pain is fully under control with pain meds she can take at home and she is eating and drinking well and there are no complications, simply tell the surgeon you will not be paying for any more care at the hospital that you can do just as well at home. Get a hands on top of your hands type of expressing lesson. You may need a refresher lesson that your local vet can give you if needed. What is the name of the hospital/city/state? It happens in so many cases that dogs heal much better, eat better, etc in the familiar surroundings of their home rather in a hospital setting. Let us know how the conversation goes with the surgeon. Do you have your recovery suite all set up? Look to the far right, the rose color box for good information in setting one up.
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Post by goosey on Jun 4, 2013 4:30:16 GMT -7
She is at River Animal Hosp in Chattanooga,TN, I know a lot of her problems is not being at home, she's not use to having to eat in a confined space and yes i'm setting everything up for her recovery. I just feel so quilty but don't have the funds to let her stay and they're saying her prognosis isn't good for walking i'm praying. I've tried uploading her pics just not loading but you can see her on my fb page under Myrna M. Venable-goosey
Her surgery was the 28th of May
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Post by PaulaM on Jun 4, 2013 7:59:32 GMT -7
Myrna, the surgeon can't know at this point about the prognosis for walking…. and our dogs just don't get those negative vet memos about walking… and they end up surprising everyone. So shut out any negativity as Lucy needs you at the top of your game with happy, cheerful thoughts because there is no doubt Lucy will be back and enjoying a happy life after crate rest.
There is not anything the hospital will be doing that you can't do much better at home. Many surgeons know this fact and when they see a dog not eating at the hospital they might even send them home a bit early. Right now what Lucy needs is to feel comfortable with proper pain meds for at home IF she is still feeling some post op pain. She needs you to know how to express her bladder. And she needs your love and positive thought to help her heal in her recovery suit. Let us know when you have her back at home.
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Post by goosey on Jun 4, 2013 13:11:06 GMT -7
We got to see Lucy today an it was a whole lot less stressful. She tried to jump out of the lady's arms when she saw us and both me and my husband know it wasn't our imagination we saw her move her back leg on the table. she really hasn't ate a whole lot or drank much but while we were there she did drink for us. Still praying....
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Post by Pauliana on Jun 4, 2013 21:25:24 GMT -7
Hi Myrna,
Did they give you an idea of when you will be able to bring Lucy home? I hope it's very soon. So glad you saw her leg move. See? There is hope!
When she comes home let us know what medications, the dosages and the times given and let us know how your expression lesson went.
Fingers crossed she is home with you ASAP. They do heal better at home..
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Post by Linda Stowe on Jun 5, 2013 6:32:18 GMT -7
Myrna, I'm sure she'll be very glad to be home to heal. Did they ever give you a reason why they wanted her to stay?
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Post by PaulaM on Jun 5, 2013 9:53:49 GMT -7
Myrna, kudos to you on advocating to get Lucy home where you can care for her. Unless you can tell us she has some complication or they just can't get her pain under control with oral pain meds, then there is no reason to feel guilty. Dogs go home all the time while nerves continue to heal to bring back bladder control. There is no doubt you will do just fine in caring for Lucy. Make sure she has had something to drink an hour before you get there so you'll have something to practic on with the expressing lesson. Jot down your questions so you get everything answered in the excitement of picking her up tomorrow. This list will help you get started: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/dischargequestions.htm
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Post by goosey on Jun 5, 2013 13:24:35 GMT -7
Because she hasn't pee'd yet
Thanks Paula
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Post by natureluva on Jun 5, 2013 15:02:07 GMT -7
Myrna, be sure to get a HANDS-ON demonstration from the vet on how to express Lucy's bladder. Watch our video beforehand here: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/Expressing.htm Try not to be afraid of learning to express. It is easy but does take practice. You should express her bladder for her 4 to 6 times per day until control returns. Usually, when neurological functions return after a disc injury, they return in this order: 1. Deep pain sensation 2. Tail wagging ability 3. Bladder control 4. Leg movement So watch for these neurological functions in the coming weeks and months. Acupuncture can help bring bladder control back more quickly - it did for my dog. I know your funds are limited but thought I'd mention it anyway. Each dog recovers at a different rate and to a different degree. Some dogs stand up a week after surgery, and others, like my dog, Goosie (read his Success Story by clicking on the link below my signature) require a much longer time. It took Goosie 11 months to walk again after his surgery. Please let us know the names and dosages of the meds she is discharged with, along with what physical therapy is recommended. We look forward to hearing about Myrna's homecoming! Best wishes, ~Lisa
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Post by goosey on Jun 6, 2013 12:46:49 GMT -7
O.k. today is the 6th and Lucy is home. She is on 2mg Valium every 8 hours to help relax urethal tone and make expression of bladder easier she had at 2:00 p.m. Using the Assisi Loop to affected area 4-6 times a day for 15 minutes at a time during which i also am stretching and exercising her legs. She has tramadol 20mg/ml-give by mouth ever 8-12 hours as needed for pain as of now she still hasn't needed any. She is drinking well but still picky about eating.
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Post by natureluva on Jun 7, 2013 7:00:23 GMT -7
Hi Myrna, glad to hear that Lucy is home! I bet she is in better spirits now that she is with you. How are you doing with expressing her bladder 4 to 6 times per day? Did the vet give you a hands-on demonstration? That's great that she isn't in any pain! Best wishes, ~Lisa
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Post by goosey on Jun 7, 2013 7:06:34 GMT -7
June 7th We finally expressed her bladder sling didn't work but if you take a beach towel roll it and knot it a little it pushed on it enough where it didn't hurt her and she went yeahhhhhhhh me now it's time for her halo.
June 8th So tired hopefully we can get into a good smooth routine soon.
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Post by Sherry Layman on Jun 8, 2013 4:53:59 GMT -7
I'm sorry you are so tired. It does indeed take a few days to get into the new routine but rest assured you will and this will soon become the new normal...just in time for Goosey to regain some functions and change up the routine on you. :-) Bladder expressing can be tricky to learn. Don't be afraid to contact either the surgeon's office or your regular vet for another hands-on demonstration. Contact whichever is closest to you as even your regular vet and their staff should be competent at this skill. Having two or three actual hands-on demonstrations is usually necessary...where they have you do the expressing but with their hands guiding you to proper placement and pressure, etc. Also, here is a link to bladder expressing you can refer to as a refresher, sometimes even just another approach to the description helps. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/Expressing.htm
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Post by goosey on Jun 9, 2013 13:40:38 GMT -7
Today is the 9th and she still hasn't had a bowel movement she is letting us know when she has to have help to releave her bladder when should i be really concerned an I am giving her low sodium chicken and beef broth she doesn't have really any interest in her kibble
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Post by PaulaM on Jun 9, 2013 16:52:29 GMT -7
Do you soak her kibble in equal part of the warmed broth? Since both tramadol and the meds she was on in the hospital can slow down movements in the digestive tube causing constipation, try some pumpkin.
Pumpkin is a magical fruit - its high fiber can firm up stools and help with diarrhea or loosen the stool to help with constipation. The amount of water in the diet makes all the difference. To loosen the stool, add equal parts water to each kibble meal along with a teaspoon of plain canned pureed pumpkin 1x a day. To firm up the stool add 1 teaspoon pumpkin to kibble and no extra water 1x a day. Note alternatives: really ripe mashed fresh pear, just take off the peel off; microwaved and mashed peeled sweet potoato.
Have you seen her wag her tail when you do some happy talk? or when you enter the room?
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Post by goosey on Jun 10, 2013 4:42:36 GMT -7
Not yet no tail wagging she's getting very vocal when she has to pee now. Tried pumpkin no luck she buries it. Have gotten her to drink a little low sodium chicken broth. She doesn't like me doing her leg exercises but I do them anyway, and i'm faithfully doing the halo every 4 hours. I haven't had to give her much tramadol thank god they gave her liquid and she foams at the mouth and scares the hell out of me. I do give her 1 valium a day.
June 10th Guess what I got her to poop with the instructions and she is trying to move her tail yesssssssss my sister thinks I'm nuts that i'm so happy about little movements and to me boulders when I accomplish something with her.
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Post by PaulaM on Jun 10, 2013 9:39:48 GMT -7
Myrna, your sister just had to be there to appreciate what a wonderful new skill you just acquired…. being able to express for poop! Congratulations, girl!!!
Let us know the details on the tail movment… you know we are a group who LOVE the detail. Did the tail move because you did some happy talk to her? Tail movements during potty time often are due to reflexes rather than the brain sending a message.
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Post by goosey on Jun 12, 2013 14:33:10 GMT -7
umm playpens are not advisable if you leave the room for over an hour she destroyed it
Tomorrow Lucy gets her 25 staples out. I'm not posting much as i'm still a little upset about my post on pooping guess I shouldn't of posted but maybe it'll help someone else.
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Post by PaulaM on Jun 12, 2013 19:26:12 GMT -7
Lucy is a little devil….she destroyed the playpen?! No need to be upset… we LOVE to hear about poop….it tells so much and learning to express for poop IS a big deal!
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Post by goosey on Jun 13, 2013 13:13:10 GMT -7
She has deep pain response and I have been advised to have two hyperbaric chamber sessions a week with water treadmill therapy so will try to see what I can do. He was suprised we have brought her this far ourselves as I have done stretches and loop therapy every four hours with her since we brought her home. Today I'm slacking and giving her a rest since they just took out her staples. He didn't expect to see any of this progress so yes i'm patting my self on the back and resting too.
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Post by Linda Stowe on Jun 13, 2013 13:30:59 GMT -7
Myrna this is good news that she has deep pain. We've heard about the hyperbaric chamber but haven't had any real feedback on if it works for IVDD so anxious to hear what you think. Think you will see a difference with the water treadmill too. Its been great in getting these dogs walking again.
Good job!!!
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Post by goosey on Jun 13, 2013 13:35:41 GMT -7
Well she's not walking yet but she's gonna
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Post by Linda Stowe on Jun 13, 2013 13:38:35 GMT -7
Absolutely, he doesn't have a choice.
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Post by goosey on Jun 19, 2013 14:32:51 GMT -7
June 19th, 2013 Well Lucy has had a long day her first day of therapy and hyperbaric chamber. She was scared to death of the water tank with the treadmill so not much happened there very little back leg movement in the water. She is feeling both sides now but her left side is the weakest, she's tired and i'm letting my girl rest she deserves it laters.
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Post by StevieLuv on Jun 19, 2013 17:47:25 GMT -7
Hi, my name is Maureen. I am trying to get up to speed on surgery and post surgical treatments. Thank you for sharing so much valuable information and experiences. ps- I cheered and laughed like a crazy woman in my backyard when Stevie pooped by herself for the first time
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Post by goosey on Jun 20, 2013 7:17:01 GMT -7
Lol glad I"m not the only one excited over poop. But hey it's an accomplishment and We will take any little thing we can get.
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Post by natureluva on Jun 20, 2013 7:56:12 GMT -7
Hi Myrna, can you try to tempt Lucy to walk while in the water treadmill with a treat or a toy? Sometimes if you stand in front of her and coax her along, she might respond. Best wishes, ~Lisa
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Post by StevieLuv on Jun 20, 2013 10:27:37 GMT -7
Dehydrated liver treats...Stevie would sell me into slavery for those...
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Post by Pauliana on Jun 20, 2013 18:16:06 GMT -7
Tyler loves the Freeze dried beef treats by Halo.. I have his undivided attention when I have that package in my hands. LOL
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Post by goosey on Jun 22, 2013 15:03:57 GMT -7
omg omg omg lucy used her back legs to push up and move around twice not the gracefulest but she did it yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (can ya tell i'm excited?)
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