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Post by natureluva on May 17, 2013 7:19:07 GMT -7
Hi, I have a ramp from: www.puppystairs.com/ They are a bit pricy, but there is no large step to climb up to get on the ramp. Unfortunately, there is nothing you can do about the wet dog shake. If Lucy is sore, - she won't shake like that, so in a sense, it is a good thing. She is doing what feels "ok" for her body to do. Best wishes, ~Lisa
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Post by Michelle on May 17, 2013 19:51:42 GMT -7
Can you tell me which one you have. Is it the 2 piece ramp. That's the only one that looks tall enough.
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Post by natureluva on May 18, 2013 6:57:22 GMT -7
It depends on where you want to put the ramp. I have the one piece ramp with cube, and it is tall enough for my sofa, but not tall enough for my bed. The 2 piece ramp plus cube would be good for my bed (not sure how tall your bed is). The folks at puppystairs are VERY helpful and friendly. They will answer any questions you may have. Just tell them you were referred by Lisa at Dodger's List and they will know right away how to help you - because - they have an IVDD dog, too!! You can ask questions here: sales@puppystairs.com
Best of luck! ~Lisa
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Post by Michelle on May 19, 2013 17:58:30 GMT -7
Thanks. I will contact them. Looking at ramps this looks the best!
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Post by Michelle on May 20, 2013 21:14:37 GMT -7
Lucy just used her back right leg to scratch behind her ear!!!
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Post by natureluva on May 21, 2013 4:52:20 GMT -7
Oh MY! Scratching behind the ears is a HUGE milestone (one that my Goosie was never able to regain). Little Lucy may have more surprises for you in the future! :-) ~Lisa
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Post by Michelle on May 21, 2013 17:30:54 GMT -7
That's what I was thinking and she did it again this evening. Funny thing is she is not inclined at all to try walking in her sling. She just drags her feet, especially in the grass. If I put her on the pavement she does move her legs in a walking motion. I think she thinks she is not allowed ... All my no no no's at the beginning. Lucy starts hydrotherapy Friday so I think we will she big changes then. Even if I don't its okay because I am sure it will happen .. All in her own time!!!
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Post by Stevie & Cleopatra on May 22, 2013 12:44:51 GMT -7
It is amazing how much Lucy's recovery sounds similar to Cleo's, she also moves her legs while in the sling on pavement and then just gives up in the grass. You are right though, all it takes is time, thank you for your great attitude, it is inspiring.
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Post by Michelle on May 25, 2013 7:27:37 GMT -7
So Lucy had her first session of hydrotherapy yesterday. The therapist said she did really well. Both hind legs were moving. You can definitely tell one side is stronger than the other but she actually used both sides. Not always together but she definitely used both. Seems like when one side was tired she would switch to the other. Smart girl!! She was such a good girl and worked so hard. I think this will move things along fast. It was really encouraging for me because I see she can move her legs - the brain is definitely talking to The feet. I think it may be a matter of regaining strength and coordination.
Less than 2 weeks left on the crate rest!!!!!
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Post by natureluva on May 25, 2013 10:06:18 GMT -7
Michelle, clearly Lucy has some neuro function going on there!! I bet she will continue to improve and strengthen. I look forward to your next update! Best wishes, ~Lisa
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Post by Michelle on May 30, 2013 17:29:10 GMT -7
Lucy graduates from 6 weeks crate rest in 1 week so I am trying to prepare. I ordered a ramp that is for the couch but i want the ones from "puppy stairs" for the bed. Problem is the standard one is only 21 inches high and my bed is 28 inches high. I spoke with a rep and they suggested the one for big dogs which is 28 inches high. The problem is that the big one is 399 vs 179. I can't really afford $400 dollars. I can probably lower my bed an inch but that will still leave a 7 inch step. Is this too big a step? if it is .... It is and I will come up with something but I don't want to assume it will be okay!! Any opinions???
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Post by Sherry Layman on May 30, 2013 19:13:24 GMT -7
Seven inches is a big drop...too big. Try asking around to people you know to see if anyone is handy with woodworking. You just might find someone that could make you ramps. If you find someone that has the saws and enjoys woodworking just show them a picture of a dog ramp and tell them how high your bed is. Once it's made you can buy a carpet runner or a piece of carpet you like from any store that sells it to glue to the ramp and there's your ramp for likely much cheaper. One idea for one for your bed is the type with a little landing type area at the top then the ramp can sit against the foot of your bed or along one side. Beds are generally much higher than other furniture so the ramp has to be quite long to avoid a steep angle and if they can't sit against the bed they stick out into the room quite a ways. Another idea...if she isn't capable of getting on the bed without help never leave her on it unless you are around...she can't jump up and won't be there to jump down because you'll lift her. Problem solved, you don't need a ramp for the bed.
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Post by Michelle on May 30, 2013 21:02:59 GMT -7
You're right I probably don't need a ramp. She absolutely cannot get on the bed by herself so she would never be on the bed without me there. I was worried about at night and what if she had to go potty. I always woke up before she was hurt so I'm sure I will again.
I think you may be right ... I don't need a ramp for the bed.
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Post by Michelle on Jun 3, 2013 6:39:24 GMT -7
5 days left!!!!!! Lucy is out of doggy jail Saturday!! We are all ready with ramps and an exercise pen for when I am not home. I read the link on how to slowly introduce Lucy back. I think I'm ready.
Lucy is not quite walking (she does with her sling just not without) but she does take some steps and can definitely stand on her own. She stands to eat, scratches behind her ear and tries to run after the neighbors cat. All good things. I've been thinking about getting her a cart until she gets some strength back but I think I will hold off. We have increased her water therapy to twice a week so we will see how that goes for a while.
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Post by natureluva on Jun 3, 2013 7:17:54 GMT -7
Hi Michelle! I'm so excited for you and Lucy! Crate rest graduation is always a day to celebrate.
Since Lucy has a lot of neuro functions (can scratch her ears, wag her tail, take steps), I would continue with the PT for a couple more months before ordering a cart. It would be a shame to order a cart for several hundred dollars and only have to use it for a few months. Perhaps revisit the idea of a cart in a couple of months.
We look forward to hearing how she does with PT. Best wishes, ~Lisa
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Post by Michelle on Jun 8, 2013 11:30:39 GMT -7
T oday is graduation day!!!! I am sitting on the floor right now with Lucy. She is having her first 10 minutes of supervised freedom and loving it!!! Because she has been having regular PT with about 10 minutes of hydro therapy 2 days a week and about 3-4 5-10 minute sling walks a day, I think I can skip the "hall walks". She is doing great. She walks but a bit like a " drunken sailor" - but she walks!!! I have wood and tile floor every where so keeping her from slipping is a bit of a challenge. I ordered her the "toe grips". Hopefully that will work. For now we have the house decorated specially for Lucy. There are rug grips scattered every where. They work really good but she still manages to find those bare spots. I am afraid of her slipping and hurting her back again.
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Post by Stevie & Cleopatra on Jun 8, 2013 12:15:31 GMT -7
Yay, I am so happy for Lucy! I also have all wood floors, primarily because if there is even so much as a throw rug, Cleo tinkles on it. But I am much more interested in preventing slipping so things are about to change around here. I am so glad to hear a good report, I have been thinking how lucky we are to have had this happen during the Summer in Colorado, can you imagine having to sling walk in the snow? I hope both Lucy and Cleo are fully recovered by the time the snow starts to fly next time!
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Post by Michelle on Jun 8, 2013 12:25:30 GMT -7
Funny you said that. I was just thinking the other day how difficult this would have been in the winter. If the toe grips work I will let you know. They are only $30. Much cheaper than covering my entire apt with the rug grips - safer to I imagine.
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Post by Pauliana on Jun 8, 2013 20:19:42 GMT -7
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Post by Ticker Marie & Daphne on Jun 8, 2013 23:29:09 GMT -7
I was just reading your post dated May 2 at 7:41 pm and just wanted to let you know that my dachshund, Daphne does a jerky movement too, but only when she is going to sleep. I took a video and posted it on You Tube so I could provide a link to the moderators here. I have shown the video to her surgeon and the acupuncturist and neither one knows why she is doing it and don't seem concerned. To me it seems like muscle spasms. She uses her front legs differently than she did before this all happened and I think she over uses those muscles and that's why she does it? I am not sure, never did get an answer. She is still doing it after her second surgery, thought maybe it would stop. Anyway, parts of your story sounds quite a bit like what I went through with Daphne. She tore up her under pads in her crate once she was feeling better, guess she didn't want them in there anymore! Congrats on Graduation from crate rest!! Hang in there, things will get better, keep up the good work. this is the link that has the video of Daphne and the jerky movement, it is on the posting dated April 14 dodgerslist.boards.net/thread/243/ticker-maries-daphne-12-conservative%C2%A0 Is it the same kind of jerky movement your doxie was/is doing? P.S. Your Lucy is adorable, love the photo.
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Post by Michelle on Jun 18, 2013 18:05:17 GMT -7
Just wanted to give an update ... Lucy is walking!! She is walking very good and only stumbles when she goes to fast or on uneven ground like the grass. I bought the toe grips but have not put them on yet. I was not going to because she seems to walk pretty good on the wood floor but does stumble sometimes, especially if she gets excited or walks too fast. I've decided I am going to put them on just to give her some stability. I don't like seeing her fall. I am constantly worried she is going to hurt herself again!! I watch her every step and if she stumbles or wobbles a couple times in a row i become convinced she hurt herself again.
She is doing good with the ramp except she took a short cut and moved the pillows and jumped off the couch. I didn't actually see her jump but am pretty sure she did as she does not like going down her ramp. that was yesterday so now she even looks at me funny and i become convinced she is hurt. I'm on to her now though and i have quite the complicated system of pillows and its gets set up even if I am out of the room for a second.
All is good and moving along - still doing hydrotherapy. At least for the next couple of weeks anyway.
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Post by Michelle on Jun 28, 2013 12:00:42 GMT -7
I have a question - lucy has been off of crate rest for 3 weeks now. She is walking and doing great. I think I am the only one who sees she is not quite walking perfect - that's how good she is doing. She stumbles but only on grass.
Here is my question - I work all day and only come home for lunch to give Lucy a potty break. I notice that since she has been given more freedom she HATES her eX pen. I have a kennel but only use that for sleeping. I notice that she is now moving her ex pen around because when I get home the pen is "tweaked". I think she is jumping up on it and moving it. Of course I am so scared she is hurting her back. I am giving her calming aids but they don't work. I hesitate to put her in the kennel because I think 8 hrs with only a 30 minute potty break is too long. I am thinking of letting her go free when I am at work. She uses her ramp for the couch just fine but she does jump to the chair next to the couch and then jumps up on the back of the chair to bark out the window. I can't move the chair because my apt is so small. I am just thinking that she is hurting herself by jumping up on the crate - maybe at this point it is better to let her go free.
any thought or ideas???
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Post by devon on Jun 29, 2013 20:03:06 GMT -7
I don't have an answer for your last post, but i just wanted to say how helpful reading Lucy's story is helping me. My bonnie has less than two weeks to go before she graduates and she has been a wobbly walker since she regained her back legs back at week one.
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Post by StevieLuv on Jul 2, 2013 8:07:25 GMT -7
You could try to use a furniture blocker to keep her from jumping up on the chair - there are instructions for making them on this site. We use baby gates to keep our dogs out of rooms that we don't want them partying in when we aren't home - maybe that would help. Thanks for letting me know how well the toegrips worked - we are still waiting for them to arrive (Canada) Stevie slips so easily on our wood and tile floors - even with the rugs I've got scattered around she still finds a bare spot to wipe out in, that was how she hurt herself the second time (5weeks out of crate rest from her first IVDD episode in January - talk about slings and potty time in the winter) Could you use the expen like a barricade to keep her away from areas like the chair?? She sounds like a real dynamo
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Post by Michelle on Jul 4, 2013 8:55:50 GMT -7
The solution came to me one day. I use the ex pen to breate a blockade to the living room. The bedroom and hall are safe for her. The bed is too high to jump on and she has access to the bathroom where I keep the wee wee pad. She has her crate and favortie bed. Soooooo much better. Seems to be working like a charm.
I am going to put the toe grips back on. She also seems to find and to wipe out on the few bare spots left on the floor. Don't want another episode so I am going to make her wear the toe grips. She is so good at breaking me down and getting her way!! Your story reminded me that the grips are very important even though she is doing so much better.
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Post by StevieLuv on Jul 10, 2013 14:32:06 GMT -7
They help alot - keeping them on is a bit of a problem for us, but they sure make a difference
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Post by Michelle on Aug 1, 2013 18:43:57 GMT -7
I have a question... We just got back from Lucy's 3 month check. Dr. said she is doing great!!! Told me to stop worrying and let her be a dog!!!!
We discussed that she still walks a little funny when she gets tired and still stumbles when we walk on grass. He said that is okay and she will keep improving. What we see at about 6 months is probably where she will stay though he expects a full recovery. He said he will sometimes see a permanent "sway" when they walk but that is the most Lucy will have. Overall a great checkup.
here is my question - he prescribed 25 mg of gabapentin every 12 hrs for 60 days. He said it is for nerve pain and helps with nerve regeneration. Lucy has no pain but she does have minor setbacks if she gets tired from too much walking or excitement. If I understand correctly he is giving it for nerve regeneration. Is this common? Seems like I have read from different posts that it is mostly given for pain?
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Post by PaulaM on Aug 4, 2013 12:18:16 GMT -7
You will see by Googling that gabapentin as most drugs do has adverse side effects. So it is not good to use them unless there is a benefit.
We have never heard or read about gabapentin having the benefit of helping nerves regenerate. We have witnessed and it is in the literature that it helps with the type of phantom pain associated with a spinal cord injury. A disc episode causes damage to the spinal cord. Does he have a reference to gabapentin for nerve regeneration? Do your own research as usual for each med you dog is on or is to be on. And ask lots of question at a vet visit.
Lucy is like a stroke victim with nerve damage. In the morning when the body is fresh it is easier to walk…as the day moves on the body gets tired more easily. The muscles can't control as well. Pretty normal…so time PT type of walks where she is supposed to be practicing the correct form of walking when her body is not tired out.
Walking on different textures such as grass, sand, up a hill, down a hill and across a help to strengthen and teach the nerves and muscles to better coordinate. We see dogs all the time improving even up to and past a year.
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Post by Michelle on Aug 4, 2013 15:17:01 GMT -7
Well.......now I am confused especially when I am pretty sure she is in no pain. I should have but didn't really question him. I think I will hold off on the gabapentin until I talk to her regular vet. I did google it and saw nothing about regeneration. I am not sure I see any benefit of Lucy taking it.
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Post by Stevie & Cleopatra on Aug 9, 2013 0:52:34 GMT -7
Hi Michelle, I just came by to update Cleo's thread, and I saw you just had your 90 day check up at VRCC too! Dr lane also asked me about whether Cleo is weaker at the end of a walk than at the beginning. I said I did not think she was weaker, just tired. He also told me that she would continue to improve over a period of months.
I don't know about Gabapentin for nerve regeneration either, but I am glad Lucy is not in any pain. Cleo still stumbles on occasion, and as Paula said, it seems normal to me for a dog to be more coordinated when they are full of energy, and less coordinated when they are tired. And after all, I am more tired at the end of a walk than at the beginning too!
Hope everything continues to go great with you and Lucy, we are rooting for you in Castle Rock.
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