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Post by Linda Stowe on Jun 4, 2015 10:05:12 GMT -7
Darlene, Your doing such a fantastic job of taking care of Megan. We have some good articles on exercises that you can do for her. Several are on this page www.dodgerslist.com/literature.htmAlso, I know Kim (PT at the U of I) and I'm sure she would be glad to help you also if needed. Linda
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Post by Darlene & Megan on Jun 4, 2015 21:02:30 GMT -7
Thank you so much, Linda. I had a feeling all I had to do was search the site and I'd find the exercises I was looking for. I can't tell you how much Dodgers List has meant to me and to Megan. I was completely lost when I stumbled upon this site and now, I'm much smarter and Megan is much happier. That means the world to me. Dealing with a paraplegic dog is all very new to me. It's a comfort to know that should be ever have a problem, I now know where to turn. I can't thank you all enough. Megan sends her love to all of you, as do I.
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Post by Debbie Blackwelder on Jun 5, 2015 6:00:55 GMT -7
Darlene, we feel the same way and we will always be here for you and Megan, anytime. After you get over this immediate hurdle with Megan, maybe you can help us out by ordering free literature from Linda and hand it out to others who have Dachshunds or other dogs prone to IVDD, this would be a great help to us spreading the word around about Dodgerslist.
Here is the link to the free literature: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/litorder.htm
Also, this might get your attention. Dodgerlist puts out a quarterly digest and it is great. It is packed with articles we need to know and read plus has great motivational stories. It is sent out by email and the cost is $8.00 per year and proceeds go to help fund the printing of our brochures, website, postage, and advertising. Here is the link: www.dodgerslist.com/newsletter.htm
P.S. Anytime any of us forget to send you links on the information you need, please just send us a message and we will provide them for you. We always try our best to remember to send you everything you need to help your babies but sometimes we don't, we are human. I'm glad Ms. Linda sent you the link to the PT and hopefully it will help you in caring for little Megan. Best wishes!
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Post by Ann Brittain on Jun 5, 2015 8:25:50 GMT -7
Megan is lucky to have you! Good luck with her PT.
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Post by Darlene & Megan on Jun 5, 2015 9:40:07 GMT -7
Thank you, Ann and yes Deb, I will order some literature. I come in contact with a number of Dachshunds at our doggie daycare and although thankfully none of them have had a problem, it's always a possibility and if I can put them in touch with Dodgers List, I can't think of a better resource for someone with a pup suffering with IVDD. I'll also be signing up for the newsletter. I've been on this site all morning reading everything I can and will likely spend the better part of my day doing the same. I want my co-workers to learn about this too so they can educate our customers when I'm not around.
We have a rule about picking up the little dogs at the daycare, don't do it! We had a little Schnauzer who we were absolutely head over heals in love with. The day she left us after boarding, her dad was holding her and she jumped out of his arms. She was a senior, 14 or so, and although I don't know the details, she was injured so badly she had to be euthanized. I've gotten much more strict about this rule at work since that accident and even more so since getting Megan. If one of those little ones wiggle out of someone's arms and hits the hard floor, there's no way they could escape injury.
Although I was told Megan "fell on the ice", I have a strong feeling she may have been dropped by one of the children. Even if that's not true, I have Megan at work with me a lot of the time and anytime I see a co-worker go to pick up a dog, I will first have them go take a look at little Megan in her crate. Perhaps the reality of what can happen will finally sink in.
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Post by Darlene & Megan on Jun 5, 2015 17:00:58 GMT -7
This is a general question but you all seem to know everything so...Megan's urine smells HORRIBLE! I don't think any of the doctors have checked for a urinary tract infection and I'm thinking since the family who used to have Megan told me that she piddled when they picked her up, she may have been overflowing for some time and that a UTI could be causing this. Is that true or is there something else that could be causing this? I'm expressing her bladder regularly now but she still has times where she wets her crate. I've just read on one of the DL pages that I should withhold her water before bed and that could be avoided. I wash her every time this happens and although I'm careful, I'm fairly certain it would be in her best interest not to have to bathe her so often. My concern today is the possibility of a UTI, should I take her in to see our vet?
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Post by Pauliana on Jun 5, 2015 19:46:41 GMT -7
Hi Darlene!
Smelly urine can be a sign of a UTI and so can leaking. I would have the Vet test her Urine, just in case. If her previous family didn't express her, she could have been overflowing and that sets her up for a UTI.. It's very common with dogs that have IVDD. Let us know what the results are.
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Post by Darlene & Megan on Jun 6, 2015 7:13:46 GMT -7
Thank you, Pauliana. We've got an appointment with the vet. I'll let you know what we find out.
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Post by Debbie Blackwelder on Jun 6, 2015 7:42:13 GMT -7
Morning Darlene, I briefly looked back through your posts to see if anyone had shared the green tea clean up with you and I did not see it, so here it is. Clean up: Unscented baby wipes for quick clean up on skin & fur. Marjorie's tip: boil and cool green tea to dampen a washcloth, neutralizes urine on skin and fur to avoid rashes from urine scald + clean fragrance. Use white vinegar in a spray bottle to kill the bacteria and the odor they cause on floors, linens, carpets, etc. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/cratesupplies.htm
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Post by Darlene & Megan on Jun 6, 2015 19:55:37 GMT -7
Wow Deb, thank you so much! We're going to start that tomorrow. My house smells horrendous! We have some shopping to do first thing in the morning and then, I can give my poor little girl a reprieve from baths. It wasn't the smell that was getting to me as much as the possibility of her skin being burned by the urine. I don't mind giving her baths and she doesn't mind getting them, in fact she gives me kisses the whole time, but I'm sure that's not good for her when she's supposed to be on strict crate rest. Oh, this is going to make life much more pleasant for all of us! Thanks again!
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Post by Darlene & Megan on Jun 8, 2015 16:56:03 GMT -7
Megan does in fact have a urinary tract infection. She's been prescribed
10 doses 1x a day of Baytril 22.7mg.
The doctor said if this doesn't clear it up she'll do a culture. I don't remember everything she said because I also had Snow, my blind Maltese, with me, who has developed some sort of infection around her mouth and who isn't as quiet and agreeable as Megan. Snow was given a 2 week antibiotic injection as she's also not nearly as agreeable to taking pills as her sister. Kraft singles don't help the same attraction for Snow as they do for Megan. She's cute but she can be a stinker. Every family has one, she's mine. :)Thank you all again for your help.
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Post by PaulaM on Jun 8, 2015 17:29:54 GMT -7
Glad the Baytril is on board. We all have our fingers crossed that Baytrill is a match for the bacteria Megan has. In the first 48 hours you ought to be seeing a change in the urine as the bacteria are being killed.
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Post by Darlene & Megan on Jun 9, 2015 7:34:32 GMT -7
Thanks Paula, I don't know if it's just that I'm getting better at expressing her bladder or that it's already helping but her bed was almost completely dry this morning and either I'm getting used to the terrible smell of her urine (if that's even possible) or, that's improving as well.
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Post by Darlene & Megan on Jun 22, 2015 21:21:10 GMT -7
Hello All, I wanted to check in here to let you know how Megan's doing and get your opinion on something else. Megan is now down to 1/4 prednisone every other day and I don't think she's as comfortable as her doctors at the University of Illinois thought she'd be. She's okay on the days she has her prednisone but pants a little more and seems a bit uncomfortable on the off days. We go back down to U of I on July 2nd to get her comfort level assessed and possibly talk about surgery. I plan to call her doctor tomorrow to see if there's anything more we can do to make her comfortable in the meantime. She is still on crate rest and has been on crate rest since our first appointment with them on June 2nd. I have been talking to Sharon Seltzer who has the blog "Lessons From A Paralyzed Dog" and she told me about a clinical trial going on at Iowa State University for paralyzed dogs. She suggested I contact them and today I exchanged e-mails with one of the people in charge of the trials, Hilary Hu. Hilary asked me to bring Megan on Friday for an assessment to see if she'd be a good fit for the study. I'm a little concerned however because of Megan's comfort level. She did tell me that even if Megan did not qualify, she could give me an assessment of Megan's current neurological status and discuss a day-to-day management plan for Megan's condition. It sounds like a good idea but because this trial, as with many trials, only 50% of the participants actually receive the medicine, in this case Chondroitinase, as well as physical therapy, the other 50% receive only physical therapy. The trial is 6 months long and you don't find out if your dog received the medication until the trial is over. I don't want to wait 6 months and have her still be experiencing pain. And, I think I remember someone telling me that if Megan is in pain or if there's a possibility that disc pieces are causing her pain, she should not receive any physical therapy. Is that correct? The website for the trial is vetmed.iastate.edu/vmc/small-animal/clinical-trials/chondroitinase-clinical-trial-0Because Megan is not as comfortable as we'd hoped, I think she may very well be facing surgery when we go back to the University of Illinois. As always, I appreciate any information or advice you can give me. I hate seeing this little girl with anything other than a smile on her face. Thanks again.
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Post by PaulaM on Jun 23, 2015 7:53:29 GMT -7
Darlene just to quickly review: At this point in time the disc will have have healed with scar tissue from the Feb 2015 fall and thus Megan is not suffering with a current disc episode. With a current disc episode PT would not be appropriate. The pain is likely due to the fact that too much of the disc is still bulging into the spinal cord canal or if the disc had torn, some pieces of disc material are still there aggrevating the spinal cord. The hope with conservative treatment is that a bulging disc or pieces will shrink back or be reabsorbed so as not to inflame the nerves in the spinal cord. Nerve repair happens on a different timeline...it can take months even more approaching a year IF, IF the spinal cord has not been permanently damaged. So the choice regarding pain is: --- to pursue surgery to have the offending pieces removed. --- Or to treat medically. Find the very lowest dose of prednisone that keeps the inflammation down to use long term along with the lowest dose pain meds to allow Megan to live a happy pain free life through the miracle of drugs. I would not turn down a 2nd opinion with Drs. Hu and Jeffery at Iowa St. U to asses Megan's current neurological status and discuss a day-to-day management plan for Megan's condition with possibility to join the trial. ALL dogs would receive free physical therapy as part of the trial. At the end of the trial period ISU will let you know what group your dog was in and offer the option of chondroitinase injection to those who didn't receive it previously. vetmed.iastate.edu/vmc/small-animal/clinical-trials/chondroitinase-clinical-trial-0
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Post by Darlene & Megan on Jun 23, 2015 20:28:22 GMT -7
Thank you, Paula. You're absolutely right, any help I can get with Megan, I should take. If she does get into the trial, fingers crossed, it will only cost $100. So yes, we will keep our appointment in Iowa on Friday and I'll let you know how it goes. Dr. Hu did say something that made me think Megan may not be a candidate but I brought that up to her and she said she wouldn't know for certain without examining her.
"Assuming the diagnosis is traumatic spinal cord injury, Megan may be a suitable candidate for the clinical trial, provided that her original injury occurred in February has not progressed."
I explained to her that the people I got Megan from told me that after she fell, she was limping and it then progressed to paralysis. I don't know if that will automatically disqualify her, I hope not.
Just to be clear, you're saying that as long as Megan's injury is not new, she would benefit from physical therapy? Would that still be okay if she wasn't currently pain free? She's not crying in pain, I just feel that there are times when she's not completely comfortable. I did leave a message today for the orthopedic surgeon at U of I to let her know I thought Megan was hurting so I'm hoping she may allow her to have the prednisone again although they did say her liver enzymes were slightly elevated from being on it for so long already. I think I remember her mentioning that surgery was more of a risk if Megan is on the prednisone. I didn't hear back from her today, hopefully tomorrow.
I had Megan back to the vet today for a follow up on her urinary tract infection and it has not cleared up yet. They took a sterile sample directly from her bladder and are going to do a culture to see just exactly what type of bacteria she has so they can give me a medication specific to that bacteria. She did give me a few more Baytril for Megan until we have the results of the culture on Friday or Saturday. The poor girl also woke up with an eye infection this morning. I feel terrible for her but I'm babying her as much as I possibly can in spite of having to do it through the crate bars.
Thanks again for your help, I don't quite know what I'd do without you guys.
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Post by PaulaM on Jun 24, 2015 8:32:28 GMT -7
Darlene, I believe the best advice is to speak with the ortho surgeon as to whether he believes the pain Megan has is chronic, that is ongoing since February 2015. Chronic could mean the disc never shrunk back enough and the nerves continue to be irritated (pain), and the disc has healed. If the ortho believes he is seeing a new/current disc episode from about May 27 when you wrote and that is the reason for pain, then first letting the disc heal is necessary. Healing for a disc means it has time to form strong secure scar tissue over the course of 8 weeks. Discs only heal with little movement of the spine (back and neck)
The report you shared simply did not specify in clear, plain English which situation is Megans, I interpreted that it was a chronic problem since Feb 2015. Let us know, if the ortho believe this is a current disc episode, as we'll need to change the subject line to indicate a different date. Once you have a full understanding, then you will be able to speak with Dr. Hu and see when the time is right for an appt with her.
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Post by Darlene & Megan on Jun 24, 2015 10:47:30 GMT -7
I don't believe this is a new episode as I was told when I adopted her that if she misses even one dose of her prednisone, she was crying and trying to bite when picked up. (I don't know why she'd miss ANY doses but that's just me.)She has not done that to me in awhile so perhaps the Gabapentin is helping. It's just that she does seem a little less comfortable when she does not get the prednisone.
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Post by PaulaM on Jun 24, 2015 15:44:35 GMT -7
Do let us know what your Ortho's suspicion is.... whether long time chronic pain or if a current disc episode.
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Post by Darlene & Megan on Jun 26, 2015 21:07:47 GMT -7
So, we went to Iowa State today, about 11 hours of driving but we're finally back home now. Doctor Hu didn't think Megan was in pain. Our appointment was at 1pm, Megan had her gabapentin and 1/4 tramadol at 530 this morning. She still didn't seem to think Megan was really experiencing pain so I don't know what to think now. BUT, Megan did make it into the trial. She'll be starting next month and if she continues to show that she's not really uncomfortable, they'll measure her and order her cart for her. She'll go for a week during the months of July, August, October and January and stay with them Monday through Friday. They've had some promising results with dogs who've only been paralyzed 4-6 months. Megan was injured 4 months ago so we'll have to wait and see what happens.
Megan is passed out, I'm going to follow her lead.
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Post by PaulaM on Jun 27, 2015 8:02:40 GMT -7
Well, that IS interesting with an exam and 2nd opinion, that no pain was observed nearing 8 hours after gabapentin and tramadol had likely worn off??!!
Please do keep us in the loop on everything including of course the wonderful news that Megan will be in the trial and will start participation in July.
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Post by Darlene & Megan on Jul 2, 2015 9:30:09 GMT -7
I thought I'd posted a response Paula, but it's not here. Yes, you're absolutely right. It IS interesting. My local vet noticed some sores on Megan's belly which was likely from lying in a wet bed when she was still with her previous family. I've realized that if I pick her up with my hands, she'll sometimes cry, if I use a towel or blanket, she's fine. SO, that may have been causing her pain. The doctor at Iowa State wants me to keep Megan on the tramadol and gabapentin for now and will assess her for pain while she's there for her first week of the trial beginning July 13th. We are still having a problem with her UTI, the Baytril did not work. My vet did a culture to find out what kind of bacteria we were fighting and Megan's now on Chloramphenicol. She said there's two types of bacteria which showed up, one that was fairly easy to get rid of and one that was a little more difficult. If this doesn't work, she'll have to receive an injection once a day accompanied by IV fluids. I'm really hoping we don't have to go down that road. I'm just starting the Chloramphenicol today and my local vet said she'd have to be on that for 3 weeks. If I have to wear rubber gloves to administer the medicine, I really don't feel good about giving it to my dog...
I will definitely keep you posted!
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Post by PaulaM on Jul 2, 2015 10:16:27 GMT -7
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Post by Darlene & Megan on Jul 2, 2015 11:49:07 GMT -7
Thank you, I'm hoping this works! And yes, I've got my rubber gloves on hand...literally.
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Post by Darlene & Megan on Jul 14, 2015 5:40:34 GMT -7
Yesterday I dropped Megan off for her first day of the clinical trial for paralyzed dogs taking place at Iowa State. They're all very nice and I know she's in good hands but honestly, it doesn't make it any easier. Especially when I get "the look" after handing her off to Dr. Hu...
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Post by PaulaM on Jul 15, 2015 13:47:36 GMT -7
Darlene, thank you for sharing those pictures. I see "the look". It would be wonderful inspiration to new members to know studies are going on. How about uploading a picture with some accompanying words to our Gallery. Directions here: dodgerslist.boards.net/thread/2262/put-dodgerslist-photo-gallery-calendarAs you get updates, we sure would like to know too how things are going with Megan.
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