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Post by melanie on Sept 20, 2013 16:57:35 GMT -7
--What is your dog's name? Rogue --What breed is your dog and did you specifically get a diagnosis of IVDD? Pit bull. Vet says disc injury.-- What was the date you saw the vet and started 100% STRICT crate rest 24/7? 15/9/2013, I think you say 9/15/13? (I'm in Australia). -- Is there still currently pain - shivering, trembling, yelping when picked up or moved, reluctant/slow to move head or body, tight hard tummy? No. Vet kept her in from Sunday to Tuesday so her pain could be controlled.-- What are the exact names of meds currently given, their doses in mgs and frequencies? 25mg of carprofen morning and night. I have to crush it into her food as she hates tablets! -- Currently can your dog wobbly walk? move the legs at all? or wag the tail when you do some happy talk? A little movement in back legs but not tail.
-- Do you find wet bedding or leaks on you when lifted up? Has been today but she has been holding on until we take her outside. -- Eating and drinking OK? Started eating when we brought her home on Tuesday. -- Poops OK - normal color no dark or bright red blood? Has not pooped since we brought her home. She had some diarrhea at the vet's. Vet says not to worry when she has to go it will just happen but I think she is holding on as she doesn't like us being around when she poops. I am finding it really hard to carry her out to the garden (she weighs about 26kg) [editor: 57 lbs] and was wondering if anyone had any suggestions? I should add that the reason Rogue did not have surgery was that she underwent cruciate ligament surgery in July 2012 and had a lump removed from her side (they had to take flesh about the size of a tennis ball) in July 2013 and after that I promised her no more surgery. It was a hard decision to make but I hope that it was the best one for her. Read more: dodgerslist.boards.net/thread/27/1-introduce-dog#ixzz2fTmhkqjg
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Post by Pauliana on Sept 20, 2013 19:07:08 GMT -7
Melanie, I'm so sorry to hear about Rogue. Is he able to sniff and pee outside? Or has he lost bladder control? If he has lost bladder control please get in contact with your local DVM vet and let him know of diminishment of neuro functions…the legs and the bladder. If he is unable to pee on his own you will need a hands on lesson to manually express the bladder..this is a health issue that can't wait as you want to protect the bladder and avoid urinary tract infection (UTI). Bone up ahead of the lesson so you will get more out of the instruction. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/Expressing.htmAlso read up about the two classes of anti-inflammatories. Carprofen is not a pain reliever, but reduces swelling over a period of days to weeks…swelling is what causes pain and it also damages the spinal cord. When symptoms are mild many vets will use a non-steroid anti-inflammatory (NSAID) such as Carprofen. When loss of neuro functions are involved such such as losing bladder control or not being able to move legs, many vets move to the most powerful of anti-inflammatories…the steroid class. Know your anti-inflammatories, know that a switch would require going without any anti-inflammatory to wash the body out before the other class is used. Be ready to discuss the pros and cons of a switch. In any event the stomach must be protected when any anti-inflammatory is being used. Read about Pepcid AC (famotidine) and do get that on board asap. IF there is to be a switch, then 2 protectors are often prescribed…and that is Sucralfate in addition to Pepcid AC. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/healingsweling.htm100% STRICT crate rest means eating inside the recovery suite. Rogue would only be out for vet visits and at potty time. The entire focus right now is minimal movement of the back/spine in order to protect an early healing disc and to protect the spinal cord as well. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/CrateRRP.htm www.dodgerslist.com/literature/cratesupplies.htmwww.dodgerslist.com/literature/cratesupplies/bowlHLDR.jpgGetting him outside without carrying him, I realize he is heavy.. Some of our members with larger dogs put the crate close to the outside door to minimize the steps.. Do you have stairs leading outside? If so it would be a good idea to create or buy a ramp. One of our members used a blanket to slide their dog outside.. Not sure if that is feasible in your situation. --Let us know that Pepcid AC is on board. --That you are manually expressing the bladder if he us unable to normally release urine. --What you and your vet discuss regarding switching classes of anti-inflammatories. It is pretty unusual to not have pain meds on board because a disc episode is quite painful.. Be observant for any shivering, trembling. Yelping. Being pretty quiet in his crate because it just hurts too much to move. More info on the typical use of pain meds with a disc episode. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/healingpain.htmThe first step in conservative treatment which can work is to be on 100% STRICT rest and out of pain. With the right meds on board the swelling will come down. It may take 1-2 weeks or even more like a month for an anti-inflammatory to get the job done. Hang in there with conservative treatment, all hope is definately not lost! We look forward to hearing back on what the vet says. Sending healing thoughts over the miles.
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Post by Sabrina on Sept 20, 2013 19:39:56 GMT -7
Hi Mel, I'm Sabrina. So sorry to hear about Rogue's disc episode, but I'm very glad you have found Dodger's List!
Just in addition to Pauliana's great info - if Rogue's crate is a wire one you can get "crate casters", or if you/someone you know is great with DIY stuff you can make a dolly out of a sturdy piece of wood and caster wheels. That way you could wheel her crate right up to the door at potty times, and also around the house with you so she doesn't feel lonely.
))Hugs!(( - Sabrina
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Post by Marjorie on Sept 20, 2013 19:44:29 GMT -7
Dear Melanie,
I'm so sorry to hear of Rogue's difficulties. I just wanted to chime in regarding your question about carrying Rogue outside to do her business. I, too, had difficulty carrying my Cocker Spaniel outside. In fact, it's not a good idea to try to lift a heavy dog with IVDD as you can cause more damage unless you can lift them correctly. I know it's hard with a dog that's used to doing her business outside. But you could possibly try placing a pee pad right outside of the door of her crate, help her out of the crate onto the pee pad and let her do her business right there, if she will. If you end up having to express her, as Pauliana explains above, you can do that right on the pee pad. I don't know if you have stairs that you would have to carry her down to go outside, but if not, you can put casters on the crate and wheel her outside. Or put a ramp over stairs and wheel her wherever she usually goes potty. If you do try to lift her, be sure to keep her spine horizontal, carrying both ends. Here's a video showing how to properly lift and carry:
Blessings to you both.
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Post by melanie on Sept 20, 2013 23:30:14 GMT -7
Thank you all for your replies.
Pauliana - Rogue did have a pain patch on until yesterday when the vet removed it. He doesn't think she needs pain killers now. I'm wondering whether this is part of the reason she hasn't wanted to pee when we've taken her outside today? She's laying with her bottom on a pee paid but I have to change it every time she pees on it (even a drop) or she wriggles around and around. I did ask the vet about expressing her bladder and he said it wasn't necessary as she had control. I will ask him again as this has changed since yesterday. I think it would make her more comfortable.
She has pooped now! I've never been so glad to see dog poo! It was normal.
She is having crate rest.
Sabrina - the wheels are a good idea. I bought a trolley from the hardware store to move her in but she doesn't like it when it moves (her mate, who has nothing wrong with him, loves to be pushed around in it).
Thanks for the hugs - much needed at the moment!
Marjorie - we have decided not to carry her to the garden anymore. We have a deck off our kitchen, which is much closer. She wouldn't normally go to the toilet there. I haven't been expressing her bladder but I am going to talk to her vet as I think it would help her. Thank you for the blessings. I'm going to watch the video now.
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Post by StevieLuv on Sept 21, 2013 9:31:35 GMT -7
Hi, my name is Maureen. I'm sorry that Rogue is having an IVDD episode. Having a big dog does present some unique challenges, as you are discovering. We have had members with big dogs - I am attaching 2 links to their threads, so that you can take a look when you get a moment. There may be some information that you will find useful (if I remember, I think that Tony and Buddy lived on the 2nd or 3rd floor of an apartment building with no elevator!) Don't give up hope, you can get Rogue through this and we will do anything that we can to help. Keeping you in thought and prayer (((hugs))) dodgerslist.boards.net/thread/439/tonys-buddy-4-conservative-labradordodgerslist.boards.net/thread/318/judes-penny-laine-conservative-rottweiler
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