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Post by heatherj on Aug 26, 2013 7:54:26 GMT -7
Shadow is a mini/tween long-haired dachshund weighing in at about 15 pounds. She is a repeat offender. About last April she injured her back and over a couple days she had slow progression from slowing down to wobbly back end to dragging her back end (she never fully lost deep pain sensation although it was quite diminished and bowel and bladder function remained intact). We had tried crate rest then but eventually decided (along with our local vet) to travel 2 hours to a more specialized vet in State College, Metzger Animal Hospital. (We have been here before for our oldest dog for other reasons.) They took the conservative route, started medications (rimadyl 25 mg -1/2tab 2x day, gabapentin 100 mg 2x day, methocabamol 500 mg -1/4 tab 3xday, and tramadol 50 mg -1/2 tab 3xday, laser therapy, and then progressed with water treadmill therapy as well. Through this she regained 100% function and returned to being herself. With that episode and her current the vet has never mentioned IVDD although i will be asking on our next visit.
This time Shadow was chasing a rabbit in the yard, yipped, and came looking as though she hurt. We feared what might happen and put her on immediate crate rest Saturday 8/10. We called the vet and immediately started the same meds as before (listed above) through our local vet and watched the same progression that took days before happen in less than 12 hours. Early Sunday morning we ended up going to Metzger's and she was started on IV therapies as well. The vet, Dr Rider, who specializes in this and saw her the year prior saw her first thing in the morning Monday 8/12 and continued testing with a CT Myleogram which diagnoses severe cord compression at L3-L4. He said he felt this time surgery was her best option and he could guarantee pain relief but said 50/50 on if she would ever walk again. They had tried Mannitol and steroids over night with no improvement. Being a nurse quality of life is very important and pain should not be part of it. We opted for surgery and she had a hemilaminectomy that afternoon. We were on our way to Michigan from SC Penna and they kept us informed the entire time and trip.
We then picked her up that Sunday (8/18) on our way home from Michigan. She remained paralyzed with no feeling in her back end and we had to learn to express her bladder. Her 2 hr trip home from there seemed uneventful however her first night and next day showed increase in pain. We restarted her on rimadyl (she came home on methocabamol, tramadol, and gabapentin). She began not drinking well after that and we added pepcid and flavored water (unsalted chicken broth in her water) and she has imrpoved her water intake. Her pain vastly improved within 24 hrs of restarting her rimadyl. We had trouble learning bladder expression; I learned it our first night home after several tries but my husband couldn't figure it out with his big hands on a little doggie.
She didn't show any improvement here at home until her first therapy appointment on thursday 8/22 with laser treatment. I stopped that trip to get the chicken broth as the therapist, Meredith, and doc had suggested and a crate bowl (they make ones that screw into the side of the crate, I debated if she wasn't drinking because I was holding the bowel lol). Shadow drank a good bit on the way home and while I was tending the chickens and other two dogs after getting home she was making a lot of noise in her crate I had set in the yard (we have tried to keep the crate near us because she is always with us). I thought she was just happy to be home and was jealous lol but when I went to check her she was soaked (a lot) and the vet had told me if it was a little bit of urine in her crate it was overflow and if it was a lot it was probably her. She had a few accidents that night and the next day and we noticed when we went to express her bladder it seemed as though if we started her she finished (found that out when readjusting my hands the first night after therapy). She has since developed a more tightened abdomen and seems to squat when we hold her to pee. Her legs have shown improvement since therapy as well, she was able to lift both wanting to itch her ears but couldn't do anything with them. Since that therapy we have been doing what Meredith recommended which included light massages to her back legs and paws, warm compresses, and gentle range of motion to keep those stiff legs loose and encourage blood flow (Dr Rider did not want us doing any of the at home therapy we had done last year since we picked her up until he sees her tomorrow).
Her pain continues to be under control, she has never yelled since she has been home. The night of the laser treatment she seemed a little more uncomfortable with her squinty eyes but she has since improved. She continues on the 4 meds I have mentioned (rimadyl 25 mg -1/2tab 2x day, gabapentin 100 mg 2x day, methocabamol 500 mg -1/4 tab 3xday, and tramadol 50 mg -1/2 tab 3xday, and now pepcid 10 mg daily) and we see Meredith and Dr Rider tomorrow and I am so excited to share in her progress and hear what they have to say. Her stitched should come out tomorrow as well. She is still unable to walk but she looks different when she is dragging he legs like she is trying to get them up under her. I have only seen a little tail movement. When we pcik her up we still pick her up with a pad just in case. If we notice she has drank a lot she sometimes goes from the pressure of us picking her up. Her bowel function has improved. She has always known when she had to poop but it seems she can make it out of the crate and house now to the yard, and it is normal. She has ate fine from the beginning, drinking has only been the issue and it seems to come and go.
She continues on crate rest and has been awarded a blanky from my daughter and we tuck her in, after all she is a doxie lol. I am thankful we decided to go with surgery and not put her down. I look forward to her laser treatment tomorrow (8/27) and the progression to come.
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Post by Marjorie on Aug 26, 2013 8:11:32 GMT -7
Welcome to Dodgerslist, Heather. My goodness, your little Shadow has been through a lot. But it sounds like she's making a wonderful recovery and that must be a huge relief to you. You've done a great job with her and it certainly shows. My Jeremy was also given a 50/50 chance of walking after surgery and walk he did so hang in there and hopefully you'll see more improvement as time goes on. Nerve healing can take months, even years. With Jeremy it was very gradual and I kept seeing improvement for a good year, right up until his second disc episode for which he just finished conservative care and is back to walking again. Once the stitches come out, you can also start hydrotherapy. It didn't help Jeremy as he just let his hind legs float and didn't try to move them in the water. But a lot of dogs have been helped with water therapy. You can even do some at home in your bathtub. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/watertherapy.htmThere is information on this page, too, that might be helpful to you. Just skip the before surgery part. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/surgery.htmYou've made the best decision on Shadow's behalf and have been a great advocate for her. Keep up the good work and keep us updated!
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Post by heatherj on Aug 26, 2013 9:26:27 GMT -7
Thank you Marjorie. It is a big relief. I am pregnant and the emotions have not made my uterus happy. Shadow is my baby (all 3 of our pups are my babies but Shadow is my cuddler) and I could not put her down. I am so happy she is making progress and don't care how long it takes as long as she remains pain free and happy. I am happy your little one is making progress too. We knew there would pronalbly come another injury, we just didn't expect so soon. She is only 5.
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Post by heatherj on Aug 30, 2013 10:19:41 GMT -7
Shadow is continuing to improve. Her bladder control is still improving and so is the strength in her back legs. Her left leg is her better leg (her right one went down first) and today when she was going potty she tried to pull her left one forward as if walking while pulling herself through the yard even though her feet remained dropped and under her. Her ear infection is clearing up, it was really something to be woke up in the middle of the night because she couldn't itch her on ear lol. She is itching her back legs often as if her nerves are regenerating. but I miss her tail wagging (although I get enough kisses to make up for it lol). I am happy she is on the road to recovery and anticipate each new step (and sometimes cry when they happen like this morning). Her Vet is hopeful and so is her therapist.
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Post by Sabrina on Aug 30, 2013 11:55:58 GMT -7
Hi Heather, I'm Sabrina. Shadow is a beauty! I'm sorry you've had such an extensive IVDD roller coaster, but I'm so glad to hear that she is improving and that the ear infection is clearing up. IVDD itself is enough to deal with! About her bladder control - can she pass the "sniff and pee" test (sniff an old pee spot and then pee) or are you still expressing? Do you have any sort of "sling" you're using at potty time?
When you say that Shadow is "itching" her back feet often, is she licking them? Chewing? Is she still on the garbapentin? Not to alarm you, but some dogs have done major damage to themselves - chewing off toes, feet, and worse: see "Licking and Chewing" on this sheet of Info to Print and Put on the Fridge - www.dodgerslist.com/literature/FridgeInfo81907.pdfI'm not familiar with the dosing of garbapentin (which is supposed to address the neuropathic pain: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/drugs.htm#paindrugs), but it sounds like it would be good to call your vet today to see if the dose can be adjusted so that Shadow isn't feeling any nerve pain - and so hopefully prevent her from doing any injury to herself. ))Hugs!(( - Sabrina
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Post by heatherj on Sept 1, 2013 15:12:17 GMT -7
Sabrina,
Thank you for your input and hugs. She is lightly chewing on her back legs and feet, usually we see this after we massage them as instructed. She is almost done with her gabapentin (we had a "give until gone" prescription). Our vet is wonderful and I do plan on calling to see if this should be continued or if we should stop since this is different that last time. She is able to go on her own to pee outside, it was cute today, she drug herself over to a spot she liked (about 3 feet from me) and her legs that were folded under her became wide as if she was squatting to pee. She stopped then, peed, and moved on a few inches and looked at me as if to say "ok, I am done now". She usually does well with this and pooping too. We have tried a sling as pictured (this time and last) and she hates it, she just stares at me. So I have supported her myself or left her go (but obviously not too far). She continues to pull that left left forward as if walking with it at times (although the paw remains folded under) and I have even seen a weak attempt at itching her ear with that leg too.
AND it melted my heart today to finally see her wag her tail with excitement, it wasn't wild, definitely weak, but nonetheless it was a wagging tail! She continues to be verbal and express her dislike of crate rest lol but we understand its importance. We have seen so much progress and would not want to undo it or put her in harms way.
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Post by Pauliana on Sept 1, 2013 19:00:24 GMT -7
Heather,
Great news on Shadow's wagging tail and being able to pee! I remember very well how thrilled we were when Tyler's wagging tail came back.. Good idea you have about talking to the Vet and getting feedback about Gabapentin.
And let the healing continue.. glad she is doing so well!
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Post by Marjorie on Sept 2, 2013 4:38:15 GMT -7
I well know how happy that wagging tail can make an IVDD dog owner! I remember when Jeremy first wagged his tail after his surgery - it jerked, stopped, jerked, stopped - but a tail wag it was! Wonderful news about Shadow. And wonderful that she now have bladder control. You're doing a great job with her, Heather. Let us know what the vet says about her chewing and the Gabapentin. Way to go, Shadow!!
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Post by StevieLuv on Sept 9, 2013 9:39:37 GMT -7
How is Shadow doing?? Loking forward to a progress report
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Post by heatherj on Sept 10, 2013 16:55:00 GMT -7
Aw thanks guys. We can tell Shadow is feeling much better, when she is out for our home therapy she wants to go and play with her wire-haired doxie brother (her beagle-basset-terrior sister is too old and is her ear cleaner lol) Shadow is able to squat to pee, even if her legs are still folded under. She can pull herself up on her hind legs and tries to pull her left leg forward but the toes are still rolled under, her right leg (the first leg to go "dead") still has very little function in it but she continues to mildly chew her hind legs, both sides, and still mostly noted after therapy. Her hind end is still very thin and her legs shake with therapy. I hope she regains some muscle mass soon. We return to therapy for her laser treatment tomorrow. Her therapist said if she gained any more strength we would start more therapy, not just the laser treatment. Shadow also has a hard time letting us do the therapy now, she prefers to sit or turn and will not stay straight while we do it. She is full of spunk as any doxie would be lol. SO it is hard to get a really good therapy in but we try our hardest. She is definitely a challenge at times.
We are still happy to see a great tail wag and a happy pain-free energetic dog. I lok for ward to hearing the plan tomorrow when we go to therapy.
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Post by PaulaM on Sept 10, 2013 21:10:21 GMT -7
Heather, did the vet put her on Gabapentin to give her some comfort? What is the dose/frequency? That chewing really sounds like neuropathic pain. Pain varies in degrees from mild to severe on-fire sensations. Everyone has experienced numbness or pins and needles tingling in your legs when sitting in a bad position for too long a time. Shadow can be feeling abnormal nerve sensations that are mild pins and needles but which could progress to painful burning, on-fire feeling that makes them bite to stop the pain. These are abnormal signals… neuropathic pain. Dogs have tragically chewed off body parts to stop the pain.
An e-collar on or in a pinch a lengthwise folded towel, secured closed with duct tape can keep them from reaching their legs til you get vet help. Gabapentin helps with this kind of pain.
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Post by heatherj on Sept 16, 2013 15:31:56 GMT -7
Her gabapentin was only for 2 weeks post op. It was only 25 mg twice a day. When I mentioned this to her therapist (who works very closely with Shadow's doc) a couple weeks ago she didn't seem as though this was an issue. My husband and I have been watching her to make sure it doesn't progress. Her pain otherwise seems very much under control (which makes me a very happy momma). Shadow is currently only on rimadyl 25 mg/day (we break it up into half a tab or 12.5 mg twice a day). The last few days we have seen her up on her hind legs more and keeping her balance more than she has been. I look forward to her follow up appointment with her doctor to discuss whether we need to do any med changes or not, plus we could start water treadmill therapy too!
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Post by PaulaM on Sept 16, 2013 20:25:14 GMT -7
Nice to hear Shadow is up and better balance! Why is she still on Rimadyl so long after surgery? Usually it takes about 2 weeks for post op surgical swelling to be resolved. I would definately ask about going off of Rimadyl, even with a phone call tomorrow rather than waiting til the next appointment.
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Post by heatherj on Sept 20, 2013 14:31:17 GMT -7
Our appointment went well and Shadow was restarted on▲ Gapaentin 100 mg twice a day. She had really picked up chewing in the couple days before her appointment in one spot particularly. The doc hadn't mentioned anything about her rimadyl, or the fact that she was still on it. It was actually something we requested in the beginning to make her more comfortable with her travels. He probably forgot we had her on it. Definitely will check into this one, or we can just stop it ourselves since she is doing so well.
She showed her doc her moves which included walking with her hind left leg and minimal movement or her right leg and he suggested we started the water treadmill. It was amazing to see her fully walking in the water, at times with no support from her therapist(I am tearing up now just thinking about it). She did a full five minutes of walking followed by a bounce type therapy on a peanut exercise ball and her laser treatment. I wish I could post pics of her therapy lol, I take them for fb, or I could share them on dodgerslist fb, there is a thought.
She continues to "walk" more at home; she gets up on her hind legs and is able to take a few steps pretty good before the right legs kinda seems to not listen lol. At least she is getting her paws flat under her more, both feet, they were still rolled under recently. She does a really good perfect squat (sometimes with a paw off the ground as before) to pee with her tail up however she still drags to poop, sometimes in a squating position, but still moving. At least she has stopped moving while peeing lol. I am just so happy to see her progress, she melts my heart!
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Post by StevieLuv on Sept 20, 2013 16:44:41 GMT -7
She is making great progress!! the Gabapentin should help with the annoying pins and needles feeling that causes dogs to lick and chew. You know how revolting that feeling is when one of your feet fall asleep because of the way you were sitting? That is what it can feel like when their nerves are "waking up" and causes the licking/chewing. Looking forward to more awesome progress reports - she is such a darling!
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Post by PaulaM on Sept 20, 2013 20:44:47 GMT -7
Put your photos in the Dodgerslist Gallery. Then all you do is copy the URL and paste it in a post here. More info on uploading photos: dodgerslist.boards.net/thread/260/upload-photo-dogIt is amazing how well the water treadmill expedites walking motions for a dog…glad it works for Shadow too.
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Post by heatherj on Sept 27, 2013 12:46:52 GMT -7
Another great week for Shadow! She continues to make progress and seems to walking more (even though the it isn't perfect and the right leg isn't the best) and dragging less. Water treadmill therapy went well and she tolerated 10 minutes of walking with a little treat encouragement. Her chewing has decreased and a spot she had dug on her left inner leg is starting to heal. She continues on gabepentin and the doc actually encouraged us to continue the rimadyl because she seems to be getting some muscle tenderness in her back near the incision. He checked her over and what I explained made her uncomfortable the other night he felt was a muscle spasm and he encouraged warm compresses and the rimadyl if we wanted to help her since she has been doing so much more and is out of the crate. Thank you guys for your continued support and encouragement.
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Post by PaulaM on Sept 27, 2013 14:30:45 GMT -7
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Post by Marjorie on Sept 27, 2013 14:52:12 GMT -7
Walking more and dragging less sounds wonderful, Heather! And congratulations on the crate rest graduation! You've done a great job with Heather and it shows.
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Post by heatherj on Sept 27, 2013 16:45:32 GMT -7
Paula he did not mention the Pepcid this time around, however we still have some to use and can get more. He did discuss it last time we started her on the rimadyl and we are watching to make sure she drinks well since that was her problem last time. I would rather add that and help her than upset her stomach. We have an older dog with chronic stomach problems and don't want to start anything with Shadow.
and Thank you Marjorie, it has been a journey and one will continue down with probably another 4-5 weeks of therapy. She has started seriously revolting her home therapy (laying down and rolling over each and every time we try to do it lol) but out of the crate gives her more opportunity to move those hind legs and gain some strength in them, especially the much weaker right leg.
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Post by StevieLuv on Sept 29, 2013 11:44:10 GMT -7
Happy Graduation!!! Shadow is a wonderful example of what love and determination can do. She will build up her strength and find a new balance to compensate for the weaker side. Keep us posted on her progress
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