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Post by Patrick & Louis on Jul 13, 2021 8:19:14 GMT -7
[Original subject line: Louie the beagle ]
☆ 1 Is there still currently pain? Louie is at the neurologist now, but when I was last with him, his tail would wag, he kept trying to get up, but couldn’t. Could get his back legs under him, but his front paws were facing down [knuckling]. Once the pain pills kicked in and the anti inflammatory he relaxed a lot more
☆ 2 25 lbs, and he is lean, very tall for a beagle A.. Please list the exact names of meds currently given
[Moderator's Note. Please do not edit 25 lbs 10 y.o. name of anti-inflammatory as of 7/11: ?mg ?x/day name of pain med(s) ?mg ?x/day needs GI tract protector, Pepcid AC, on board w/ any anti-inflammatory ]
☆ 3 -- Eating and drinking fine -- Poop looked good ☆ 4 Beagle. Louie, I am Patrick ☆ 5 Doctor was fairly sure, at neurologist to diagnose ☆ 6 He is there now, started Sunday night My beagle is turning 10 in a few days. He always had what we called a bad back. Every once and a while his mid back would seize up and he would be walking normal still but we would need to get him anti inflammatory and a mild pain killer. It always seemed to happen when there was a period of stress. When we moved, went on our honeymoon etc. On Sunday [7/11] he yelped while walking to get his breakfast and deteriorated by night time. We gave him his anti inflammatory and pain killer and brought him to the vet. He was still eating and drinking, moving his tail, and could adjust his legs underneath him, but couldn’t stand up. It seemed to be mostly his front legs this time. The vet sent us to a neurologist and we sat there for hours waiting for the estimate. Out vet told us the mri would be 1500, but the bill is now in excess of 5k before they have done anything. This seems excessive? They have done an exam, fluids, bloodwork, but now say they need chest X-ray and spinal tap because of his age? They keep telling me I can negotiate the bill later, but need me to pay 75% now.
I feel in the dark completely.
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Post by PaulaM on Jul 13, 2021 8:45:30 GMT -7
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Post by PaulaM on Jul 13, 2021 8:56:53 GMT -7
Welcome Patrick, if surgery is a consideration for your family, then do discuss it with the neuro. When for whatever reason surgery is not an option, then ask for their best diagnosis of the disease. All vets think about the possible diseases it could be, then they rank the #1 thought as the diagnosis. There are other disease that mimic a disc episode. IF the vet is highly suspicious of another disease, then they want to run other tests, do an MRI etc. You know your personal finances best. Speak up if not financially feasible. Look into Care Credit now It is best to know all your options, financially and where surgery would be done, ahead of time rather than scrambling for that information in an emergency. No or low interest credit for veterinary costs can be obtained from Care Credit. You find out online if you qualify: www.carecredit.com/faqs.htmlAs damage to the spinal cord increases, there is a predictable stepwise deterioration of functions. When nerve healing begins, often it follows the reverse order. 1. √ 7/11 Pain caused by the tearing disc & inflammation in the spinal cord 2. Wobbly walking, legs cross 3. Nails/toes scuffing floor 4. √ 7/11 Paws knuckle under 5. √ 7/11 Weak/little front leg movement, can't move up into a stand 6. Front Legs do not work at all (paralysis, dog is down) 7. Bladder control is lost. Leaks on you when lifted. Can no longer sniff and then pee on that old urine spot outdoors. 8. Tail wagging with joy is lost 9. Deep pain sensation, the last neuro function, a critical indicator for nerves to be able to self heal after surgery or with conservative treatment. If surgery is not an option (for whatever reason) then the best option is conservative therapy. Surgery can still be successful in the window of 12-24 hours after loss of deep pain sensation. Even after that window of time, there can still be a good outcome. Each hour that passes decreases that chance. Precious hours can be lost with a vet that gets DPS wrong. Trust only the word of a neuro (ACVIM) or ortho (ACVS) surgeon about DPS. A quick overview of conservative treatment vs. a surgery: dodgerslist.com/2020/02/10/surgery-vs-conservative/Dr. Isaacs answered alot of questions we've had about surgery: "Surgery needs to be a decision an owner enters into recognizing the risk, but also recognizes the benefit. This way if something unforeseen occurs an owner can be comforted and at peace with the fact that surgery was the right decision and they did all they could for their dog." You will find it worthwhile to read the rest of his answers about surgery: dodgerslist.com/2020/05/12/dr-isaacs-surgery-answers/A disc episode compresses the spinal cord and causes a lot of bruising, swelling, and inflammation. -- Surgery immediately relieves the pressure with severe paralysis by removing offending disc material. -- Conservative treatment relieves pressure with an anti-inflammatory drug and takes 7-30 days. Just as with any traumatic injury, the body can self heal nerves and the disc. -- The disc heals under Conservative treatment with very STRICT limited movement and time of 8 weeks. -- Damaged nerves in the spinal cord heal with time after a surgery or conservative treament. Best to think in terms of months rather than days/weeks for this slowest part of the body to heal. How conservative treatment works with very STRICT rest: dodgerslist.com/2020/05/14/strict-rest-recovery-process/Patrick, please bring up any other concerns. Let us know the name of the anti-inflammatory you gave. We want to help you to best be able to communicate with your surgeon, ask good questions, and be assured with the information at hand you are making the best choice between a surgery or conservative treatment.
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Post by Patrick & Louis on Jul 13, 2021 10:07:20 GMT -7
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Post by PaulaM on Jul 13, 2021 10:15:23 GMT -7
Looking through our members recommendations directory for a Brewster, NY Guardian Veterinary Specialists listing. You may also want look at the NY listings: dodgerslist.boards.net/board/13/member-reported-surgery-costs-recommendations One of our Forum members wrote Dodgerslist about his dog Grady : "Dr. Jason Berg NYC metropolitan area and is a highly qualified neurosurgeon and is opening a new facility to help those who can and cannot afford surgery. It's called guardian veterinary specialistsThought u should know He helped Grady alot and he really cares about the animals"
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