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Post by ? & Annie on Dec 17, 2020 18:14:38 GMT -7
Urinating
My Annie, a 5 year old Corgi female had [12/14] surgery on 4 disks on Monday. Released from hospital today.
She hadn’t peed until this morning, when the vet tech said she finally did. They had been expressing her and were going to show me how but since she had just peed they couldn’t.
Since she did on her own this morning I was hoping she would for me this afternoon. She also cannot use her back legs but I have a sling and support her with that and her harness. If she hadn’t peed by tomorrow I’m to take her back to vet and hopefully they will show me. She isn’t really interested in drinking but will eat her food and some ice cubes. I added water to her food tonight. She is on crate rest 6-8 weeks. How many of you have had dogs that didn’t pee at first at later did? By the way she had deep pain sensation before the surgery and also deep pain sensation after. Thank you so much! I feel pretty overwhelmed.
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PaulaM
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Post by PaulaM on Dec 17, 2020 18:50:49 GMT -7
Welcome to the Forum! Hi, my name is Paula, what's yours? Can she do a happy tail wag specifically if you do some happy talk?
Have you done the sniff and pee test to find out if Annie has bladder control function? You can get an expressing lesson from your primary vet or from the surgery clinic. The only way for humans to know if there is bladder control is with the “sniff and pee test.” Carry outdoors, set them on an old pee spot to sniff. Make sure the sling or your hands are not on the tummy area as that can press on the bladder. See if they will release urine on the old urine area. If urine comes out after sniffing, bladder control is returning. You should continue to do a quick express check to verify there is full voiding until you are certain it is consistently happening. Let us know what you observe. NOTE: When the bladder is full, it fills the entire abdomen area so any pressure should release urine if bladder control is not yet back. You may need to hold the pressure for a little longer than you think you would. As the bladder empties, it gets smaller and can slip away from you. You’ll need to find it again. Sometimes it moves back by the pelvic area. Keep pressing until the bladder feels flat, almost like your hands are touching. Review video and tips in case you need to go in for an actually hands-on-top of your hands expressing lesson. Note you can also be expressing for poop: dodgerslist.com/2020/05/05/bladder-bowel-care/Does she leak on you when lifted? Find any urine spots in her bedding?What meds was she sent home on? Exact names, mgs and frequency given?
UNDERSTANDING ORDER NERVE REPAIR HAPPENS IN
Nerves heal typically in the reverse order of the damage to the spinal cord:
1. √ Deep Pain Sensation: the first neuro function to return. DPS is the critical indicator for nerves to be able to self heal after surgery or with conservative treatment. Trust only the word of a neuro (ACVIM) or ortho (ACVS) surgeon about this very tricky to correctly idenfiy neuro function.
2. ? Tail wagging with joy at seeing you or getting a treat or meal.
3. Bladder and bowel control verified with the "sniff and pee" test.
4. ? Any attempt for Leg Movement, and then
? ability to move up into a stand position, and then wobbly walking.
5. Being able to walk with more steadiness and properly place the feet.
6. Ability to walk unassisted and perhaps even run.
Can you tell us what you observe for leg movement? Any use of back legs to reposition in her recovery suite? attempt to scratch an ear? Exclude any leg or tail movements during potty times.
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