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Post by Lex & Louie on Jun 29, 2020 14:45:24 GMT -7
Louie is a mini dachshund that had Ivdd surgery today for a ruptured disc between L3 and L4. He lost mobility in his back legs last night but still has deep pain sensation which the vet said is good. His neurological function is intact. The surgery went well and he is in recovery. I’m just nervous to bring him home and prepare. I know he will need crate rest and possibly help expressing his bladder. I have to work next week Monday - Friday 8-430. I was told to come home mid day for him to help him go potty or to let him outside if he is going on his own. Just so nervous and so ready to get Louie home.
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Mary & Mila
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Post by Mary & Mila on Jun 29, 2020 15:26:02 GMT -7
Hi Lex Welcome to Dodgerslist! So glad you’ve joined us all. We’ve got valuable information we’ve gleaned from the vets Dodgerslist consults with and our own experiences with IVDD since 2002 to share with you! It will really help our moderators if you can give us the following information on Louie, to help us to help you As soon as you can: Please list the exact names of meds currently given, their doses in mgs and times per day given. If he is on a steroid….what was the start date & dose? If on a NSAID, for how many days has it been prescribed for? Tummy protection
PEPCID AC: Ask if your dog has any health issues to prevent use of Pepcid AC (famotidine)? (doesn’t need it, we wait til there is problem…are NOT answers to your question!) If you get a “no health” issues answer,then go to the grocery store to purchase over the counter Pepcid AC containing one single active ingredient (famotidine). Is the surgeon a general DVM or a specialist surgeon: ACVIM neurology or ACVS ortho? Here are some questions to ask the surgeon before you take Louie home
Surgery Discharge Questions www.dodgerslist.com/literature/dischargequestions.htmSTRICT for a post-op dog means: ◼︎no laps ◼︎no couches ◼︎no baths ◼︎no sleeping with you ◼︎"no chiro therapy whys":http://www.dodgerslist.com/literature/chiropractic.htm ◼︎no dragging or meandering at potty times. Recovery suite set up. Post-op crate rest is to allow the surgical sites to heal.
Super tried and true tips for setting up the recovery suite, the mattress and more! www.dodgerslist.com/literature/CrateRRP.htmAcupuncture, laser and water therapy are excellent post-op therapies, if within your budget. Check with surgeon prior to starting. Knowledge is the power to fight the IVDD enemy and win!! The very best thing you can do for YOU, the caregiver, and for your dog is to get up to speed on IVDD soonest possible. Begin absorbing the must-have overall sense of meds, care and how the treatment works. Your dog will be depending on your ability to learn: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/theater.htm- PRINT OUT this link and tape to your fridge: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/healingpage.htm - use the printout as your roadmap to avoid dangerous detours in your dog’s care - make notes/highlight to keep yourself on track - follow all the links in the next days to become the IVDD savvy pet parent your dog needs. Expressing bladder Loss of bladder control means the need today to go for a hands-on-top-of-your-hands type of expressing the bladder lesson. First read and view the video at this page to get more out of the lesson: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/Expressing.htm
Dog who do not have bladder control, leak on you when lifted because that lifting pressure to the tummy is sorta like the pressure to the tummy area for expressing. Loss of bladder control means the brain no longer connects/sends messages to the bladder to wait until in an appropriate place. Instead reflexes will kick in when the bladder is filled to the stretch point. This allows the dog to overflow. Overflowing will not remove all urine. What remains can quickly develop into a urinary tract infection (UTI). Let us know if Daisy can pass the sniff and pee test.
The only way for humans to know if there is bladder control is with the “sniff and pee test.” Carry outdoors, set them on an old pee spot to sniff. Make sure the sling or your hands are not on the tummy area as that can press on the bladder. See if they will release urine on the old urine area. If urine comes out after sniffing, bladder control still remains. You should continue to do a quick express check to verify there is full voiding until you are certain it is consistently happening. Let us know what you observe.
I think I have given you a lot of info there to carry on with, don't be so nervous about taking him home, it's the best place for him and will speed up his healing, you'll do a great job! I am speaking from experience, it's very daunting, but trust me, it will be all ok and we are here to help you and advise you. Mary
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Post by Lex & Louie on Jun 29, 2020 15:28:42 GMT -7
So they called me after surgery to give me the run down of what they did. Tomorrow they will call me with an update of how he’s progressing. They think he should be able to come home Thursday / Friday. I will list the medications and guidelines they give me once he is cleared to come home. Should I prepare a crate or play pen with blankets and piddle pads?
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Post by Mary & Mila on Jun 29, 2020 15:38:39 GMT -7
hi Lex Yes by all means go ahead and prepare the recovery suite for Louie. Size of the recovery suite should only be big enough to stand up, turn around and when lying down to fully stretch out legs. Pad out extra room with a rolled up blanket or towel You'll see some pics of examples of recovery suites in this link OLD www.dodgerslist.com/literature/CrateRRP.htm New link: dodgerslist.com/2020/05/14/strict-rest-recovery-process/Also give some thought about Louie's journey home, it would be best to take the crate with you for him if you can, with rolled up towels or small pillows to cushion him on the journey and make it more comfy for him. Avoid breaking suddenly if you can and taking corners too quickly when he is onboard. It will go well and you'll be fine. Do come back and fill us in with the info when you get it. Use the time you have now to read up on the links and get ready for Louie's return home. Mary
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Post by Mary & Mila on Jul 1, 2020 2:02:18 GMT -7
Hi Lex Thank you for keeping us updated. Good to hear Louie shall be home on Thursday/Friday. Yes go ahead and get prepared by setting up a pen or similar for him. This is a photo to give you some ideas. A pen or a den keeps him one place so as he won't do any damage to the surgical site. dodgerslist.com/tag/recovery-suite-tips/Louie may have full bladder control and therefore he would be able to let you know when he needs to go outside, in which case you just carry him out and let him sniff round and he will do the rest, then take him back in to his pen. I know you are going back to work on Monday so then it may be necessary to clear an area in the corner of the pen for him to use the pads. Just in case he still needs help here is a link on expressing. May sure to ask for a demo before you leave the vets if that is the case. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/surgery.htm#restPT New expressing link: dodgerslist.com/2020/05/05/bladder-bowel-care/Mary
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Post by Lex & Louie on Jul 4, 2020 7:44:31 GMT -7
Louie came home Thursday afternoon. He is able to urinate and defecate on his own with sling assistance. He is eating and drinking well.
[11lbs] The medications are: Gabapentin 1 ML every 8 hours until the end of this week then twice daily Sunday/Monday if he is doing well. Carprofen 25 mg 1/2 tab twice daily for a week Prazosin 1mg/ML suspension- giving .5 ML every 12 hours Omeprazole 10 mg - 1/2 tablet once daily (we give it at night) And trazadone as needed
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Post by PaulaM on Jul 4, 2020 8:04:07 GMT -7
Lex, wonderful to hear Louie is back home and that he has bladder control to urinate on his own. What did your surgeon direct for number of weeks to be on post-op rest? Some want 4 weeks other surgeons, depending on the extent of the surgery, want longer for surgery sites to heal. Are you finding that Louie remains in full comfort from pain dose to dose of the pain med gabapentin? How much does Louie weigh? What at home PT did your surgeon want for Louie's legs? Which ones from the video below: Appropriate physical therapy can help maintain the muscles with lost nerve connection. Therapy keeps muscles in optimal condition while in wait to receive regenerating axon terminals. Post-op PT for the paralyzed IVDD dog:
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Post by Lex & Louie on Jul 4, 2020 16:11:12 GMT -7
Louie seems very comfortable with the medication regimen. He is on crate rest for 4-6 weeks pending how he does. He gets stitches out July 13. They will give me an update on crate rest then.
Louie weighs 11 lbs. they have us do massages and leg exercises 2-3 times a day. We have acupuncture scheduled on July 23
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Post by PaulaM on Jul 4, 2020 16:21:29 GMT -7
Lex, good news then that Louie is in full comfort from the post-op procedure.
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Post by Lex & Louie on Jul 5, 2020 18:43:56 GMT -7
As of midday today Louie has been vomiting on and off small bits of food he’s eaten. He seems comfortable (not in pain) also willing to eat. Go pee and poop outside. He’s drinking water. I think the carprofen is to harsh on his belly? I can’t withhold food from him for long due to his other meds needing to be taken with food
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Post by PaulaM on Jul 5, 2020 21:07:09 GMT -7
Carprofen is a drug that can be abruptly stopped. So if his stomach is not settling down, skip his next dose until you can’t get in touch with your vet Mon morning. It may turn out all the surgical swelling is now gone and he may not need this anti-inflammatory. Let us know what your vet says in the morning.
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Post by Lex & Louie on Jul 7, 2020 8:30:35 GMT -7
So the vet stopped his anti inflammatory and we gave him an anti nausea med and he seems to be doing much better! No vomiting in 24 hours. Normal vowel movements. Keeping all food and water down!
[Moderator's Note. Please do not edit 11lbs Gabapentin 1 ML 3x/day; 2x/day Sunday/Monday if he is doing well. Prazosin 1mg/ML suspension- .5 ML 2x/day Omeprazole 5mg 1x/day And trazadone as needed]
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Post by Lex & Louie on Jul 24, 2020 6:38:12 GMT -7
Louie had acupuncture last night and did amazing. The vet was very pleased with how well he is doing. He is walking well and not dragging his back feet or “knuckling” anymore. He still has a little “drunkness” to his walk but he is getting stronger each day. He goes back in 2 weeks for another acupuncture session. We are also going to get into a physical therapy place to see what they recommend if anything. 💙
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Post by PaulaM on Jul 24, 2020 9:09:33 GMT -7
Lex, what a wonderful update on Louie! With time, his gait deficit may be almost imperceptible as the muscles get stronger and perfecting the art of walking with muscle to nerve communication. You may be interested in some at home water therapy based on the same principals of underwater treadmill: dodgerslist.com/2020/05/28/surgery-dog-water-therapy/Other ideas: --- Buy cheap cut of meat or chicken when on sale as really high value treats. Cook, cut into tiny treats and freeze to use as needed each day. --- Do all PT where there are no other distractions of kids or other dogs. --- Do PT slowly so that steps are deliberate- helps to re-train the nerves and muscles to work together in a more normal gait pattern. --- Surface with good traction such as carpet or use of a Yoga mat or rug runners --- Do therapy at meal times. Feed dinner a few kibbles at a time, for stands, sits. Reward for pushing up from a sit to a stand. ---Use sticks, broom, pvc pipes spaced out on good traction carpet. Dog then will learn to balance to lift paws as they walk SLOWLY over each one. --- Single leg balance for the weaker leg. While standing, lift the stronger leg off the ground for a few seconds-this will force bearing weight on the weaker leg. Lower and repeat with the opposite side leg. --- Outdoors walk across a gentle slope, walk up and down the slope. Walk on different textures...low grass, higher grass, on sand. ---At home water therapy: dodgerslist.com/2020/05/28/surgery-dog-water-therapy/Has the surgeon indicated when post-op crate rest is over at 4wks or 6wks and he can be slowly introduced back to family life and activities?
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Post by Lex & Louie on Aug 4, 2020 8:26:44 GMT -7
He is 5 weeks post op now and can slowly resume normal life with our other dogs and us. ** We are doing an hour or two a night supervised on the floor. We are slowly introducing the ramp to the couch. We are doing swimming with him in our pool. We are still doing his leg exercises and massaging. He is wobbly the first few minutes out of the crate but after a little bit he seems to walk well and get his balance. His consult for physical therapy is august 18.
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Post by PaulaM on Aug 4, 2020 11:13:30 GMT -7
Lex, thanks for the update. How wonderful to hear you are taking it slow in getting him back into family life. Ramp training is excellent!! There are lots of wonderful ideas for fun, for furniture blockers, selecting a harness and other things you will want to be aware of in living many happy years ahead with Louie. Please take a look! dodgerslist.com/living-with-ivdd-tips/
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