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Post by Cindy & Lola on Feb 26, 2015 13:46:19 GMT -7
Hi, My name is Cindy Fuller. My Boykin Lola recently suffered a ruptured disc, L-4-L5, Hansen Type 1. She did not have paralysis, but did have loss of bowel and bladder which she has now regained. She did well with surgery, but, does have other disc protrusions which may or may not be problematic in the future. She is now in a crate. Unhappily. This is a very active breed. IVDD is not typically a problem for Boykins and I was wondering if there is anyone else who had had this experience. Thanks
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Post by Pauliana on Feb 26, 2015 23:18:45 GMT -7
Welcome to Dodgerslist, Cindy! First thing to know is that it IS in the cards for your Lola to get back to enjoying life whether immediately walking or waiting on more nerve repair - IVDD is not a death sentence. Find out why that is true: www.dodgerslist.com/index/SDUNCANquality.htm Look forward to learning more about your dog with your answers to these questions: ▷ Is the surgeon a general practice DVM or a specialist (ACVIM neurology or ACVS otho)? ▷ What was the date of the surgery? Are you now doing 100% STRICT crate rest 24/7 only out to potty and for surgeon directed PT? …. No laps, no couch, no sleeping in bed with you, no meandering, scooting or dragging around during potty times. No chiro (aka VOM)? What did your surgeon direct for PT and for post-op crate rest? ▷ Is there still currently pain - shivering, trembling, yelping when picked up or moved, reluctant to move much or slow to move, tight tense tummy? Pain means your vet needs to know asap so that pain meds can be adjusted. ▷ How much does your dog weigh? Please list the exact names of meds currently given, their doses in mg's and times per day given? What was the start dose if a steroid, date of taper? Please include the all important stomach protector such as Pepcid AC. Phrase the question to your vet this particular way:" Is there a medical/health reason for my dog not take Pepcid?" If there is no reason, we follow vets who are proactive against not eating, vomit, diarrhea, bleeding ulcers by giving doxie weight dogs 5mg Pepcid (famotidine) 30 minutes before the anti-inflammatory. ▷ Currently can your dog wobbly walk? move the legs at all? or wag the tail when you do some happy talk? ▷ Can your dog specifically sniff and squat and then release urine or do you find wet bedding or leaks on you when lifted up? ▷ Eating and drinking OK? Poops OK - normal firmness & color -no dark or bright red blood? ▷ If there is pain or neuro diminishment, dogs can benefit greatly with acupuncture or laser light therapy. These therapies can be be started right away to help relieve pain and to also to kick start energy production in nerve cells to sprout. So if this therapy is in your budget, seek out a holistic vet. ahvma.org/Widgets/FindVet.html Chiropractic is not recommended for IVDD dogs. Excluding an emergency of pain not being controlled or diminishment of nerve functions that require prompt vet help, we have excellent resources for many IVDD questions members have. While you are waiting for a reply, do check out our "All things IVDD" resources for getting the recovery suite setup to an excellent tip about pet strollers: www.dodgerslist.com/literature.htm
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Post by Linda Stowe on Feb 27, 2015 11:34:38 GMT -7
Hi Cindy I'm sorry to hear Lola has suffered a disc injury. To my knowledge we have never had a Boykin on our lists or forum. I did some researching on the breed and saw that Cocker Spaniels were used in their history to develop the breed. Cockers are one of the breeds that do have a higher then normal incidence of IVDD. A lot more breeds now are showing up with it and it is believed to be hereditary.
Please let us know more about Lola's condition.
Hoping your lovely breed does not get our IVDD curse.
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Post by Cindy & Lola on Feb 27, 2015 12:42:57 GMT -7
Hi Pauliana,
Lola is a 4 1/2 yo Boykin Spaniel weighing 26 1/2 lbs. On the small size for her breed. Very thin and lithe. Her date of surgery was 2/19/15 at Virginia Tech Small Animal Hospital in Blacksburg, Va. 2 hours from our home. They are considered the best veterinary teaching hospital in Virginia. She was seen in Neurology. Her MRI showed moderate extradural spinal cord compression from ventral and left cranial L5 to cranial L6, caused by a combination of L5-6 intervertebral protrusion/extrusion, hemorrhage and dilated verterbral sinus. It also showed non compressive protrusions and degeneration in multiple other sites. The Chief resident of the Neurology Dept performed a Left hemilaminectomy at L4-L6. Surgery was without complications and her hospital recovery was uneventful. She has about 25 or so staples in her back which do not seem to bother her. She was discharged on
[26.5 lbs] Gabapentin 50mg bid, Tramadol 50mg bid, Carprofen 50mg bid. No steroids. She was also just finishing some antibiotic for a concurrent UTI, and the are done. She will be seen by the regular vet on Monday to recheck the UTI, and remove staples.She will be seen by Neurology in Blacksburg in 1 month.
We were to to keep her in a small room (bathroom), kennel or crate. This has been somewhat problematic as this breed is extremely active by nature. She is carried to a different room and crate from time to time and only walks to go potty.She is mostly in the crate, but is occasionally allowed out on a palette on the floor to rest quietly. During this time she is tethered to either my husband or me and is not allowed to walk. She seems to understand this and is more quiet when doing this than when in the crate. She is totally bored and restless in the crate and I am looking for something to occupy her. I have given her frozen kong with peanut butter and marrow bones. They are very short lived. She does not appear to have pain and would like to do all of her crazy running and jumping that is so typical of the breed.
Her gait seems normal to me. Prior to the surgery she was ambulatory with mild hind limb paraparesis w/o ataxia. She had lost control of bladder and bowel but seems to have regained them. She poops and pees fine, and appears to posture for both. We have so much snow here it is a bit hard to judge. Her appetite is much better than in the past. Probably since she is so restricted in other ways.
I am confident she will make a good recovery, but I am very concerned for her future, especially since she clearly has disc disease. The neurologist said said the chance for recurrence is about 20%. The literature in other dogs seems to support this. I am also interested in the etiology. Lola was spayed before her first heat which I have never done before. I have usually waited until after. I am wondering if the lack of hormones contributed to an early onset of IVDD.
I think I have addressed the questions you posed but if not please let me know. As I said , am a novice at boards/forums. Thanks
Hello Linda,
Thank you for your concern. I have heard of two other Boykins with IVDD. In general I cannot seem to find anyone who knows much about it in the breed. They have other problems including DM, but not IVDD. While this is a tragic problem for any breed, in the Boykin breed I cannot imagine it would be anything short of devastating. This breed lives for activity, running, jumping, playing....all non stop. If I am not entertaining mine she is entertaining herself. In any case, I am trying my best to get educated. You Forum certainly has more educational material than I have been able to find so far. Very helpful. Thank you. Cindy
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Post by PaulaM on Feb 27, 2015 14:31:29 GMT -7
Cindy, what did your surgeon direct for PT..was it just a walk to and from the potty place or ....? And how many weeks did he dirct for post-op crate rest? You might consider a lo-cal kong rather than high fats of peanut butter and marrow. Soak a portion from one of her kibble meals in liquid and freeze into the kong. That way she will be working for dinner and it will take longer to consume. Phrase the question to your vet in this particular way:" Is there a medical/health reason for my dog not take Pepcid?" If there is no reason, we follow vets who are proactive against not eating, vomit, diarrhea, bleeding ulcers by giving Pepcid (famotidine) 30 minutes before the anti-inflammatory and thereafter every 12 hours. Good vet's webpage to bookmark and learn about each of your dog's meds: www.marvistavet.com/html/pharmacy_center.html The usual dose during a disc episode is Pepcid AC (famotidine) for dogs is 0.44mg per pound 30 mins before the anti-inflammatory and thereafter every 12 hours. Give the anti-inflammatory with a meal as added protection. www.1800petmeds.com/Famotidine-prod11171.html
Would you consider helping another trying to make decisions… We have a directory where you can share surgical costs: dodgerslist.boards.net/board/10/guidelines-posting State: Hospital: Address: Cost: Date of surgery: What was included in cost (MRI?, days stay, ER? PT? meds for home, sling, etc.) Comments:
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Post by Cindy & Lola on Feb 28, 2015 7:41:47 GMT -7
No recommendations for PT at this time. It is challenging enough to keep her still. As I said this breed is all motion. So she is just walking to the potty area. 4-6 weeks crate. And out for some quiet time on the floor with us.
Thank you for the lo-cal kong suggestion. I will try it.
Lola has been on and off Pepcid her entire life with us. She is a slightly dyspeptic dog. She has a tendency to expectorate or regurgitate from time to time. No vomiting though. Somehow we got off of the Pepcid in January because she was doing very well. On her discharge from Va Tech, I ask about putting her back on it. They said to wait. She finishes her Carprofen tomorrow. She is difficult to pill anyway. Never really motivated by food. She has been eating more meals and smaller since being on all of the rx's. I will discuss the Pepcid again at her recheck.
I will add to your directory after we are done at Va Tech. You already have them listed anyway. I can address the cost at a later date.
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