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Post by Sam & PeanutB on May 26, 2019 10:52:55 GMT -7
My name is Sam and I have a 4 year old long haired red Dachshund named Peanut Butter. 5/24 Friday afternoon i came downstairs to see Peanut could not move at all. He was fine earlier and I have seen no indications that he was limping etc. He was paralyzed no tail wag no back leg movement just a weird bunny hopping while sitting upright. I *IMMEDIATELY* took him to Oradell animal hospital where he had emergency surgery late Friday night with a board certified neurologist. He is coming home today because the surgeon said he will likely eat at home since he ate the food I gave him at the hospital but wouldn't eat chicken or any food they gave him. I am getting his little area ready. I don't know how to transport him home in his dog crate with towels wrapped either side of him? I really have no clue.
My husband and I overwhelmed by all of this we are picking up Peanut today as the surgeon said hes not eating and will likely eat at home. He has no movement in his legs and Im just overwhelmed. I feel I failed my baby and want to do everything I can to educate myself and I am hoping you can all help me stay calm and face this step by step day by day.
Since we haven't talked with the surgeon yet about PT etc. There are some questions I have not yet answered. We don't know what his medications are yet either and I will update later. I just needed to introduce now. Sorry if this is in the wrong place I just can't seem to think straight.
☀︎1-- DACHSHUND What is your dog's name? PEANUT. SAM, country US ☀︎2-- 15lbs ☀︎3-- surgeon ACVIM neurology Dr. Kerry Bailey ☀︎4-- What was the date of the surgery? 5/24/19 He comes home today no deep feeling not eating.
Are you now doing 100% STRICT crate rest 24/7 only out to potty and only for surgeon-directed supervised PT? No laps, no couch, no sleeping in bed with you, no scooting or dragging around during potty times. No chiro (aka VOM)? I WILL ABSOLUTELY!!
☀︎5-- What did your surgeon direct for PT (always a supervised, eye-ball to eyeball controlled therapy) and for post-op crate rest? Not picked him up from Oradell animal hospital yet ☀︎6-- How many weeks did the surgeon want for crate rest including his directives for supervised and controlled PT? ☀︎7--Is there still currently pain - shivering, trembling, yelping when picked up or moved, reluctant/slow to move head or body, tight hard tummy? Full pain relief is expected in 1 hour of pain meds and stays that way dose to dose. Your vet needs to know asap to adjust meds if there are pain signs. ☀︎8-- Please list the exact names of meds currently given, the start date, their doses in mgs and how often you give? ☀︎9-- Currently can your dog wobbly walk? move the legs at all? or wag the tail when you do some happy talk? No walking at all. ☀︎10-- Do you find wet bedding or leaks on you when lifted up? He did pee on me yesterday when I held him. Maybe a good sign? ☀︎11-- Eating and drinking OK? Poops OK - normal color no dark or bright red blood? Not Eating at the hospital but did eat treats I brought him yesterday. seems to drink has had blood in his urine vet tested
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Post by PaulaM on May 26, 2019 12:07:46 GMT -7
Sam, sounds like you got him into the neuro in a timely manner. That bodes well for nerves to be able to heal!! Just take into account that the surgery itself can cause some temporary neuro setback until all the swelling from the procedure subside...usually in about 2 weeks. Then you and the surgeon will have a better idea of the direction of healing. The crate with blankets or towels snug around him will keep his back from shifting as the car takes a corner or comes to a stop would be great! Many dogs actually do better at home, such as eating, etc. With blood in the urine it is likely may currently need to have his bladder manually expressed by you. Please review these expressing tips plus look at the video so you will get more out of your surgeon's hands-on-top-of-your-hands type of expressing lesson. Here is the link: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/Expressing.htm No doubt your mind is flooded right now with concerns, questions—it is, indeed, overwhelming at first. Now is the time to jot things down. Here's a starter list of questions to which you can add some of your concerns to ask your surgeon: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/dischargequestions.htmThis page is good reading by Dr. Isaacs, ACVIM (neurology) as he explains many post-op questions for our IVDD community: meds, crate rest, PT and discharge day. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/surgery.htmSee if there are any other things you can do to make post-op crate rest go smoother with these very useful tips and ideas: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/CrateRRP.htm and gather supplies you have around the house: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/cratesupplies.htmWe'll be awaiting your post when Peanut is back home at what meds he was sent home with, what the surgeon wants for PT at home and how many weeks of rest he directs.
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Post by Ann Brittain on May 26, 2019 12:09:03 GMT -7
Hi Sam,
Welcome to Dodgerslist. I'm sorry to hear that Peanut Butter has had an IVDD episode that resulted in surgery.
We will need more information to help you navigate through the process or providing the best in home care of him.
Our dog, Buster, had surgery after going down. Like your experience with Peanut Butter, Buster appeared healthy one day and the next day we came home to find him unable to use his rear legs. Buster stayed at the hospital for 6 days after surgery so we had a little time to adjust to him coming home. Most of the information I got about his after care came from Dodgerslist.
Here is a link that can help you set up his recovery suite.
www.dodgerslist.com/literature/CrateRRP.htm
Is Peanut Butter able to walk after the surgery? Does he have bowel and bladder control? If not, you'll want to discuss how to express him with your doctor. The following link discusses expressing.
www.dodgerslist.com/literature/Expressing.htm
The surgeon should give you information about PT and when it's safe for you to start it.
If Peanut Butter is crate trained, it would probably be best to transport him home in is crate. If he isn't used to being in a crate, I would try to set up confined area in your car which allows as little movement as possible. It would probably be best if someone could sit near him during the ride to ease any anxiety he may have. Letting him ride in your lap is not a good idea.
Please let us know what the vet says and the type and dosage of the medications he's prescribed.
I know how upsetting it can be to have a dog go through IVDD and surgery. Once you settle into a routine, it will get better.
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Post by Sam & PeanutB on May 26, 2019 19:08:02 GMT -7
Thanks so much he's now home and on
Prednisone 5mg 1/2 tablet by mouth twice daily for 5 days then, 1/2 tablet by mouth once a day for 5 days then, 1/2 tablet by mouth once every other day for 5 additional days. Next dose 8pm tonight
Gabapentin 50mg tablets, 1 by mouth every 8-12 hours as needed for pain Next dose: tonight at bedtime
Tramadol 10mg tablets, 1 tablet by mouth every 8 -12 hours as needed for pain Next dose: Tonight at bedtime
Amoxicillin 100mg, 1 tablet by mouth once every 12 hours until gone for treatment of UTI Next dose: Tonight at bedtime
Prazosin 1mg capsule, give 2 capsules by mouth once every 12 hours to decrease urethral spasms (2 refills) Next dose: tonight at bedtime
[Moderator's Note. Please do not edit 15lbs prednisone 2.5mgs 2x/day for 5 days, then further taperings gabapentin 50 mgs 2x/day tramadol 10mgs 2x/day amoxicillin 100 mgs 2x/day Prazosin 2mgs 2x/day]
Peanut has had T12-T13 Hansen type 1 intervertebral disc extrusion (continuous hemilaminectomy) surgery
We managed to get him to eat a little and he was able to take his meds. We staggered his meds first giving him Prednisone and amoxicillin, he seemed in pain so we gave him gabapentin and tramadol poor thing. We didn't give the prazosin will see how expressing his urine is tomorrow. It's it's difficult we will give him them. We will be seeing the vet again Tuesday 28th as he was concerned peanuts blood pressure was high and his body temp low.
I meant to ask if using one of those heating pads [for paralyzed dog] that you put in the microwave would be okay to put under or near his neck if he needs it. And if it's ok to cover him with a blanket. He's not shivering any more he seems to know he's back at home. I wish there was a way I could post a picture of him in his special crated area.
We are emotionally exhausted but thankful he ate some. He saw the other dogs eating and ate a little broth and his favorite freeze dried treats. I've got chicken drumsticks in the slowcooker to make bone broth and to give him boiled chicken see how that works.
Thank you for the links ladies they have been so helpful and hubby and I will be watching the videos tomorrow. Everything is so well written and we really appreciate the positive advice.
Oh we asked what his post op treatment protocol was and we have to move him to lay on a different side every 4 hours. Also we have exercises PT to do several times a day. He also showed us how to express urine but i didn't actually get to try it I don't think it will be a problem as I had to do this for my other dog once. I mentioned crate rest and the vet just said rest was needed but said nothing specific just to let him rest and sleep but get him up moving and to exercise his legs and paws. After 2 weeks we can start hydrotherapy. I want to start accupuncture and need to find a therapist for peanut. I'm not sure if the laser would work right away I think he needs to rest first. That was some surgery!
I know there is much to learn and we are grateful to have found the right place. Thanks to Kayla from Mince Republic for sending me here!!
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Post by Pauliana on May 26, 2019 20:12:20 GMT -7
Welcome to Dodgerslist, Sam!
It is definitely exhausting and emotional to go through all that with your sweet Peanut Butter.. I went through it with my Tyler in 2013 and he came through great and we wish the same for your Peanut..
It takes time to get into a routine and get used to the new normal but we will help you through it..
I would avoid the micro heating pad because he can't move off of it if he gets too hot..but all Doxies love their blankets so please cover him if he enjoys that..
If he loves chicken do give him that but keep in mind he needs all the vitamins and minerals that are in his dog food as his body has lots of healing to do.. Maybe put some of the chicken and broth over his dog food to tempt him to eat..
Try to get some rest and I send healing prayers for Peanut.. and comforting thoughts for you..
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Post by PaulaM on May 27, 2019 7:44:06 GMT -7
Sam, to make sure that PeanutB's pain is fully covered, it is best to use the aggressive end of the range for his pain meds. I mean give his pain meds ( gabapentin for nerve pain, tramadol as the general analgesic) promptly and on time every 8 hrs. Never as needed and likely at every 12 hrs will not provide the relief from pain he deserves. The not eating well can be several things now that he is back home. Maybe still effects of the meds he was on at the hospital, maybe he is stressed with pain surfacing when it should not and causing his body to produce acids, maybe the anti-inflammatory prednisone is causing extra stomach acids as well. PEPCID AC I would call your vet and confirm PeanutB has no health issues to keep him from Pepcid AC to suppress stmoach acids. All anti-inflammatories can damage the stomach of nausea, vomit, diarrhea leading to serious bleeding ulcers from the extra stomach acids Prednisoine could cause. Pepcid AC (famotidie) blocks the production of acid by acid-producing cells in the stomach.The usual dose of Pepcid AC (famotidine) with a disc episode for doxies is 5mgs 2x/day (0.44mg mg per pound every 12 hours.) Get at the grocery store but FIRST do ask your vet in this very, very particular way: Is there a medical/health reason my dog may not take Pepcid AC (famotidine)? Doesn’t need it, we wait til there is problem…are NOT answers to your question! Understand your pet's meds, knowledge IS an important safety factor: 1) www.1800petmeds.com/Famotidine-prod11171.html and 2) marvistavet.com/famotidine.pmlEXPRESSING While on pred are you expressing his bladder every 2-3 hrs to keep him dry. As your skill at expressing is refreshed with practice and seeing he is stayng dry, then move up to every 3-4 hrs. The goal is to have him stay dry between expressings as hour move to every 4-6 hrs and even every 8 hrs. Are you also expressing for poop. Poop's not a health issue as the bladder is, but more that PeanutB won't be anxious in finding poop where he sleeps. The video and tips for when to express for poop are at the same link as bladder expressing: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/Expressing.htmLet us know how often you are able to express and he is still staying dry. NEURO STATUS Can PeanutB move his legs at all? Is he able to move his body to a new position at all, to change sides? Good point Pauliana made in not using any kind of heating device if a dog is paralyzed and can not feel things— very easy then for his skin to burn as he won't know to move away. A blankie to sleep under is the way to go, the safest for PeanutB.
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Post by Sam & PeanutB on May 27, 2019 8:23:49 GMT -7
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Yes we are absolutely making sure he gets his pain meds on time. He ate chicken today and later I will try his kibble. I'm just thankful he's eating the chicken along with the wrapped up meds.
Can PeanutB move his legs at all? He has no leg movement at all. Is he able to move his body to a new position at all, to change sides? Yes he can do this and he sits up with back paws under him and trys to move around in his pen.
I'm expressing him about every 2 hours. I don't know how much to to let him drink. I've been letting him drink until he doesn't want it then I express about 15 mins after or he pees in bee so because we've had a few cleanups already today. I'm trying to get the hang of this.
I made a list of the time I give meds and any side effects. Right now I'm concerned that he twitches every now and then looks like a hiccup. Perhaps he needs more meds? I'm trying to be positive about everything but I'm so concerned he doesn't end up with Myelomalacia.
He obviously is drugged up but he looks so much better than when he was at hospital. My son came in the room and he looked happy to see him and gave him kisses.
Also, I'm reading that trips to the vet have to be nessecary. He has an appointment tomorrow night which is a 35 minute drive one way. Should I just take him to the local vet here instead?
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Post by PaulaM on May 27, 2019 8:28:46 GMT -7
Sam, when you are on your mobile device, I recommend to change to the "desktop mode" to more easily reply to a previous post. As shown in picture below, you would scroll down to the bottom of the screen to click on "Desktop". click image below to view full graphic of where "desktop" button is located I also recommend you reply to a post by going to the "Quick reply" typing area and NOT clicking the "Reply" link. Quick reply allows you to scroll up and down to a previous post and then back down to the "Quick Reply" typing area to continue your own post. A laptop, a tablet are, of course, much easier to deal with typing etc. when you have access to one. NEURO STATUSa Very wonderful to hear from you that PeanutB can move his body on his own inside the recovery suite---excellent as he can relieve pressure points by moving in a different position. PAIN Could you confirm which you are actually giving all pain meds? gabapentin 50 mgs ?x/day actually given? tramadol 10mgs ?x/day actually given?When you have moved to every 8 hrs dosing, let us know what you observe re: twitching/hiccups. Of course, do not hesitate to call the Oradell with any concerns you have. EXPRESSING
As long as he is on pred he should have access to water attached inside of his suite. If he is drinking alot, then you may have to express at 1.5hrs or maybe express prior to his taking a good drink...just a figure it out thing as you go. Also you may not be fully voiding the bladder as much as you think you are as you refresh that skill. Never hurts to re-review the video and of course express at the vet's office and then have a vet tech check your work, give pointers, etc. TRANSPORT PeanutB has had surgery. The offending disc material has been removed from the cord. So the crate rest for a post-op dog is a bit differnent than for a dog conservativetly treated. As long as you are careful in tranport to protect the sugical areas inside his body and the exterior sutures, he should be just fine. Snug up a rolled up blanket around his body in his crate. This keeps his back from abrupt movements when the car corners or comes to a stop. If his surgical caused pain is being controlled dose to dose with an every 8 hr pain med schedule, he is looking so much better now home, interested in life, then your mind should be at rest re: myelomalacia. Initial signs of myelomalacia is pain returning where the pain meds are no longer able to control pain. Developing of excruciating pain more than what he intially had in coming home from hospital. Let us know what your surgeon says tomorrow night about the twitch and PeanutB's general progress.
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Post by Sam & PeanutB on May 27, 2019 9:11:09 GMT -7
Paula thank you so much for the help with the mobile screen and desktop much easier.
Also, thank you for the information I am grateful. Last night at bedtime 8pm I gave peanut x1 tramadol and x1 gabapentin as far as the pain meds. I gave him at 8am [12 hrs later] the same dose. He seems to deeply groan when I express him (as if " oh gawd leave me alone woman!”) but no squeals or pain barks.
I shaved him around his belly and peepee clean him up with a warm flannel and dry him off. I used a little jojoba oil on him so he doesn't get sore. I hope I'm doing this all right.
I really appreciate the post surgery information & conservative because I've been getting confused with conservative treatment. Is there anything specifically about post surgery on here? Stupid question I pretty sure I've been staring at it. I'm just exhausted. I'm guessing it's pretty much the same crate rest. I'm worrying im handling him too much.
Thanks for everything and the speed that you replied back at!!! 💕🤗💕🤗
I think his what I call twitch is a muscle spasm.
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Post by PaulaM on May 27, 2019 12:18:00 GMT -7
Sam, glad you too find the desktop mode to be easier when on a mobile!!! So you are currently giving pain meds (tramdol and gabapentin) 2x day (every 12 hrs). We can't know for sure if a dog is in pain. Sometimes it is just that we don't correctly interpret what we see as pain and sometimes as dogs will be— they hide their pain as instinct to not let prey know they are in a diminished state. So since the Rx is for every 8 hrs, that is what I'd do. Muscle spasms can well be a sign of pain! And there is even a pain med that could be Rx'd to address that specific kind of pain. Let us know you have moved to every 8 hrs on the two current pain meds. What are your observations. D/l and print a sample med chart. A helpful place to note meds and result to help you discuss things with your vet d/l and print: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/crateRRP/medchart.pdfBaby wipes can clean up any urine that gets on skin and fur. Better yet is this tip from moderator Majorie: This tip and many other good ones comes, including how to set up the mattress system, from our supply list over at the Main Dodgerslist web site. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/cratesupplies.htmUse unscented baby wipes for quick clean up on your doxie. Marjorie's tip: boil and cool decaf green tea to dampen a washcloth. It is mild with acidifying, antibacterial properties to neutralize urine on skin and fur to avoid rashes from urine scald + leaves a clean earthy fragrance. White vinegar in a spray bottle to disinfect and remove the urine ammonia smell from floors, etc. Best is to have two spray bottles, one filled with plain white vinegar the other filled with peroxide . A spritz of each on urine and poop disinfects and completely removes the odor... good on linens, floors and other hard surface. Pre test peroxide for color fastness on important fabrics. At Costco you can purchase 2 qts hydrogen peroxide for under $3.00. articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2001/07/21/vinegar.aspxA non-zinc barrier cream if you see any rash developing or use before any rashes crop up. Find in the baby section of the grocery store: ---Aquaphor Baby or Aquaphor regular Healing Ointment contain same ingredients: Petrolatum (41%) Inactive Ingredients: Mineral Oil, Ceresin, Lanolin Alcohol, Panthenol, Glycerin, Bisabolol aquaphorus.com/categories/---Bayer's A+D® Original Ointment Active ingredients: Lanolin 15.5%, Petrolatum 53.4% www.myadbaby.com/static/media/images/coupon-products.pngIs there something specific you are want to know more about post op surgery? Look for the search box over on our main Dodgerslist website What we explain to you very often on the Support Forum has an article with additional information - more than what one can put in a Forum post. Using a broad term "surgery" yielded 25 articles. Feel free to use specfic terms to zero in on your area of interest. Some ideas: surgery crate rest, nerve healing, post-op at home exercises, etc. Let us know if that helps or what we can help you with.
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Post by Sam & PeanutB on May 27, 2019 14:07:26 GMT -7
That's a great idea about the green tea I'll get that tomorrow. I gave peanut his pain meds and in 2 hours he has his second dose of amoxicillin and Prednisone. I think he's doing really well. Nothing from his legs but he's pulling himself around his little crate. Not too much but enough where I now know when he needs to pee and he's getting back on routine of eating. No poop yet but am getting the peeing thing down although laying on his side doingnmay not be the best way I got it all over me and his face. I swear he was giving me stink eye after. I'm going to ask the vet if the gabapentin dose is too high and that's what makes him jerk. I'm pretty sure it's a side effect.
Ive given reading a little break for now but I will resume later. I set up his crate witha remnant of memory foam mattress topper and put it into a black dustbin bag and put that in the case I made for his bed. It's not fleece but is synthetic.On top of that I layer one of the wheelchair pads on top and then his fave blanket if he needs it. I have towels lining his his recovery area. It's pretty hot here in NJ so we've got the air on and a fan in the room. Not blowing directly on him as I read shouldn't do that somewher e on this forum.
Its been waves of ups and downs but he seems to be doing well so far. That's all I care about. The walking will come later just want him to heal.
Thanks for the med list I made one up this morning really useful I'm going to make another for the excersises we do and massages. Thanks so so much!!
Ugh I somehow deleted the update the vet called. I asked about pepcid ac and he said he prefer if I gave ✙Prilosec 5mg 1 tablet per day. Then he said peanuts likely spasming from pain so give him another tramadol so total 2 tabs of 50mg ▲tramadol every 8-12 hours.
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Post by PaulaM on May 28, 2019 5:42:48 GMT -7
Sam, good to hear your expressing sessions are going better. Dog lying down is a perfectly good way to express...as indicated in our expressing article.
While a vet may prescribe meds in a range you could give, what we need to know is how often are you actually given pain meds. --- Tramadol how often are you actually giving 100mg dose: every 8 hrs or every 12 hrs? --- With the adjustment in tramadol, has the twitching/muscle spasms stopped?
If you can avoid using cotton towels in his crate the better. Cotton in the crate is not a good idea as if it becomes wet it holds wettness against his skin/fur. Look for 100% synthethic material instead. Synthetic material wicks moisture away from the skin. There are several different kinds of synthetic fleece at varying price points...cheap stuff is good. You can buy yardage at any fabric store on-line or a local shop. No need to sew, just cut with scissors to sizes needed. Fleece washes and dries quickly. Dry in the sunshine for a wonderfully fresh outdoor fragrance.
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Post by Sam & PeanutB on May 28, 2019 8:18:34 GMT -7
Oh so sorry I meant to answer you earlier. Yes I am giving him 100mg tramadol every 8 hours the spasms stopped he just twitches like normal when sleeping (barking in his sleep and running, his usual). I feel it's too much to give him and will ask the vet if I should give him 100mg every 12 hours. He seemed really out of it today but at least he's sleeping and resting well.
I trimmed his fur and cut his beautiful tail because the just easier to keep him cleaner. I've given him pumpkin in his food no poop so far and I've tried to express it. I'm sure it will all pop out soon enough. I'm getting much better at expressing now I just need to improve my aim I got it all over my hair and his face poor thing. He looked at me like what the heck are you doing!?
Thanks for the advice on no cotton I need to get my fleece fabric out and do that. I'm just exhausted to be honest.
Thanks again for the amazing advice and quick replies much appreciated and helping us to keep calm and carry on!
Oh quick question is it okay if he lays on his back? He loves to sleep like that I don't make him he moves himself into that position. I'm just asking because of my concern with his stitches.
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Post by PaulaM on May 28, 2019 10:09:58 GMT -7
Sam, it is ok for him to lie on his back to sleep.
At expressing time you just might want to lay a paper towel or washcloth over the penis to prevent an errant stream. When I first started expressing, I mis aimed squirting my feet and my dog's paws...he was not impressed with me!!! You'll get this figured out. The important thing is his bladder is being kept healthy from bladder infections by your voiding his bladder.
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Post by Sam & PeanutB on May 28, 2019 12:57:50 GMT -7
Thanks!!
Yes I finally figured it out if I express him from behind I'm terrible but if I do from the other way I do much better and get lots out I was so surprised how much pee came out and was easier aim the stream. ( I know that sounds weird -the wrong way around but it worked so much better) He seemed to not be as bothered no stink eye this time!
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Post by Romy & Frankie on May 28, 2019 13:27:01 GMT -7
Good news that you are successfully expressing Peanut now. Expressing is a skill and you have learned it. Taking care of Peanut will be easier now and his bladder will be healthier.
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Post by Sam & PeanutB on May 28, 2019 18:44:40 GMT -7
Thanks Romy & Frankie! We are trying.
Update:
Went to the vet tonight and he said the surgeon changed peanuts Prazosin to 0.5mg x 2 per day
Should I be concerned about this?? I haven't met the surgeon yet. We will see her when peanuts stiches get removed. They tried to do his blood pressure and it really stressed him out. Vet said he's concerned about his blood pressure and wants me to see an internist. I'm just wondering if we've got a brand new out of the exam room vet working under the surgeon...I'm going to find out more info. I was expecting from the beginning to meet with the surgeon but she was emergency surgeries all IVDD cases.
We are all home exhausted and not liking this journey one bit.
Wondering if watery eyes are side effects of the meds or part of his injury. Also is there anything that promotes the health of the spinal cord? Like Omega 3s? Should I be giving that to peanut? My husband just found this info tonight after getting home from the vet.
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Post by Marjorie on May 29, 2019 5:00:46 GMT -7
Always get a good understanding of why a med prescription is changed from the vet. I don't think there's any reason to be concerned about the change in the Prazosin dosage but you have the right to know why. If you're concerned about the watery eyes, do ask the hospital about that, too. I don't see it listed as a side effect from any of the meds. Watery eyes is not from the IVDD. Here's the link to our page concerning supplements: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/Supplements.htmHealing prayers for Peanut Butter. Please keep us updated.
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Post by Sam & PeanutB on May 29, 2019 7:30:14 GMT -7
Thank you for that information.
I'm trying to find out if his meds might be giving him high blood pressure, (his breathing is not as slow and rhymic as my other two dogs. ) Or if it's an indication of other problems. I really don't want to take him to the vet again and go through the trauma of another stressful office visit.
Maybe have a vet visit the house and do blood pressure.
Sorry for all the questions and concerns I just don't know what to do.
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Post by PaulaM on May 29, 2019 8:02:08 GMT -7
Sam, do report to your vet on what you observe so it can be helpful to a vet in figuring out a diganosis. SIDE EFFECTS of Prazosin Because one of its main functions is reducing blood pressure, some patients may be weak or tired if their blood pressure drops too low. A dosage adjustment may be necessary. Racing heart rate, hyperactivity, or increased body temperature are side effects which should be reported to your veterinarian. Resource- Mar Vista Vet Drug Directory: www.marvistavet.com/prazosin.pmlPrednisone and tramadol can cause panting. When you have concerns the vet who prescribed should be called. Any vet there at hospital can access PeanutB's file and address your concerns. Let us know what the vet says after you call.
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Post by Sam & PeanutB on May 29, 2019 15:53:28 GMT -7
Thanks so much. Honestly you are a God send. I really appreciate the hard work you all put into maintaining Dodgerslist. I'm grateful.
I did call the animal hospital and took peanut. Saw another vet on the ER staff Concerned his blood pressure is 230 she said could be he needs more pain meds because he's in pain or not fully expressing she showed me how to do it and I'll get it. I don't want to do it too often the little guy needs to rest. He still hasn't pooped and I've been giving him pumpkin. His little belly is sticking out. I really want him to poop and I try. I asked the vet if I should be worried but she said it's all normal after surgery. I don't want the little guy to pop maybe he needs an enema.
Anyway she was very thorough went through all of his bloods again and found he has protien in his pee so getting that checked out. Hopefully not kidney related issues. He had a sonogram I forget why I'm so frazzled and the 3Dx(?) snap test came back negative because now I started worrying he had Lyme disease! Oh you all don't want to know where my mind's been going. It's bad enough worrying about possible myleomacia now Lyme disease?! I need bloodpressure meds! His heart is good and lungs everything else is great. Glad thebkyne came back negative. I've had Lyme disease too many times. We treat our yard and the dogs have tick collars etc.
Anyway the vet collaborated with an internal medicine vet and I have blood pressure medicine for peanut. ✙Amlodipine 2.5mg (Norvasc)g 1/2 tablet by mouth every 24 hours.
She also said I could give peanut 3 x10mg ▼tramadol every 8 hours said he needs to be sedated to sleep and heal. He has been moving around too much in his crate. Ok guys I'm exhausted thanks for replying in advance 💕
[Moderator's Note. Please do not edit 15lbs prednisone 2.5mgs 2x/day for 5 days, then further taperings gabapentin 50 mgs 2x/day tramadol ▼30 mgs ▲3x/day amoxicillin 100 mgs 2x/day Prazosin 2mgs 2x/day ✙Amlodipine for blood pressure Prilosec 5mg 1x/day ]
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Post by Pauliana on May 29, 2019 18:06:23 GMT -7
Hi Sam,
I do hope you are getting some rest.. So much stress is very hard so take some time to pamper yourself and relax and rest while Peanut is snoozing..
Glad Peanut Butter now has blood pressure medication..
Are you giving one teaspoon of pumpkin with equal parts water and his dog food.. Its the water that makes all the difference in loosening the stool.. When you want to firm up the stool, you just add pumpkin.. The Vet was right, it is normal after surgery to be constipated.. My Tyler didn't poop for 5 days after.. Do Not give him an enema as that would cause too much movement to his early healing disc and surgery sites..
As for the Tramadol is the new dose is 30mg 3x/day? or 10mg 3x a day??
Did the Vet give you paperwork about the Vet visit? Maybe the answers as to why the sonogram may be in the paperwork..
Sending comforting thoughts your way..
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Post by Sam & PeanutB on May 30, 2019 8:57:43 GMT -7
He is on 30mg 3x/day tramadol. Seems to be so much better today his normal little self. I express him every few hours I got him to poop I gently expressed it out used a bit of ky jelly and it came out hard bullets but at least I got some out.
I will try the water and pumpkin he won't touch his kibble but scoffs the chicken I'll mix it all up for him with chicken and kibble. I don't like feeding kibble I'm going to get canned for him.
He's never had a problem with anxiety but when I leave the room for too long (like a kid) he crys I gave him one of those vetri science calmer. He scoffed that down now he's sleeping. I'm trying to get jobs done around the house. Keeping me busy and upstairs is spa music for my pups and lavender essential oil diffuser on.
Anyway thanks again for the guidance! I've got tickets to sell for a show we were going to see next week but can't leave him now. 🙃
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Post by Romy & Frankie on May 30, 2019 13:08:49 GMT -7
I am happy to hear that Peanut is feeling better today. For a number of dogs the natural calmers like the vetri science do help with anxiety. I am not sure if you have seen the video on expressing for poop that gives some helpful tips. www.dodgerslist.com/literature/Expressing.htm
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Post by Sam & PeanutB on Jun 1, 2019 8:18:21 GMT -7
So I've gotten much better at expressing and to the point just the little drops come out. I just worried I was pressing too firm. He stayed dry last night from 2am until 7am I'm pleased with that. He pooped yesterday twice yay! No poop so far today. But that's okay!
Anyway, I think peanuts high blood pressure is partly due to being crated. He's not really used to it. I have meds to help with anxiety and it's done wonders. His breathing is slow and regular rhythmic not fast breathing like puppies do. He seems to be doing well. I think he's getting depressed he's in the crate so I gave him a kong toy stuffed with food. He's on ✙Trazodone 50mg 1/2 tab every 8 hours or when needed for anxiety. If additional sedation is needed, 1 whole tablet may be given. I am giving 1/2 tablet every 8 hours.
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He has a really nice setup he can see out of the window.
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Post by PaulaM on Jun 1, 2019 10:07:43 GMT -7
Sam, wowee~~~ wonderful to hear your expressing skills have elevated to allowed him to stay dry for 5 hrs over night. Kudos to you. A window with a view is not a bad idea!!
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Post by Sam & PeanutB on Jun 4, 2019 5:51:22 GMT -7
So last week was really stressful but I'm so grateful for the advice and support here. This week Peanut is so much more himself.
I've reduced his pain meds to: ▼Tramadol 30mgs 2x/day gabapentin 50mg 2x/day. Tapering off on Prednisone to 2.5mgs 1x/day.
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We've almost finished his course of amoxicillin and I only give the trazodone when needed. He's still on the blood.pressure meds I don't think he needs them but will check with the vet and see how his blood pressure is doing. I remembered my other dogs.blood pressure was super high after surgery and a week later he was fine but I want to make sure there isn't any other underlying reason why his BP was so high.
I tried using a harness the vet made for me that keeps his back legs up so he can see and poop. It will take a bit more practice using it but he pooped Outside which was easier with the harness. I'm encouraging him to sniff and pee especially where my female dog pees but so far he needs heIp expressing him but it does seem easier outside. Maybe he is more relaxed outside. He still has no use of his leigs. When I pinch under the line on his back he notices it so I'm hoping he does eventually regain pain sensation. I'm not going to give up on this little guy. Hopefully if he continues like he is he'll getting his stitches out next week and I'll ask the surgeon what treatments / therapy she recommends etc.
I have been massaging him and doing the exercises given every time After I take him out to pee or poop. Keeping him clean too. Right now he's sleeping and I'm going to take a nap!! I'm tired!
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Post by PaulaM on Jun 4, 2019 7:42:44 GMT -7
Sam, thanks for the up date. Wonderful to hear PeanutB is feeling much better!!! Hope you both got some good rest in those naps. There are several kinds of backend harnesses. Maybe looking at these two DIY harnesses will give you an idea how to modify yours for your hands to best be able to handle it??? 1) DIY sweatshirt sling...can be used for front or the back legs. Use same concept with cut out leg holes in a long strip of towel: www.lyonpuffpetsit.com/htmlslp/sling.html2) DIY figure-8 sling especially good for male dogs anatomies:
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Post by Sam & PeanutB on Jun 4, 2019 13:24:13 GMT -7
Ah thanks for the pics that's exactly what the vet made for us! I couldn't think of how to describe it. I've never seen anything like it lol but its made out of the band-aid wrap stuff just like pic 1. I keep trying to post pictures is there a way to insert them without having to use a link?
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Post by Romy & Frankie on Jun 4, 2019 13:53:55 GMT -7
You can add a picture when editing an old post or starting a new one. When you are editing there is a button on the bottom right that says "Add image to post". Click on that and you will get a screen where you can insert pictures from your computer.
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